On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 11:18:10 -0700, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:

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Dear cabal,

Do any of you have any examples of tree charts done in, say, MetaFun? Are there any macros, libraries etc. for easy tree charts in \ConTeXt?

Example: http://www.mathematik.uni-kl.de/~anne/Aufl-Bilder/D7Tree.jpg

There are three ways you can do it in ConTeXt

1) Most features: pstricks (yes pstricks can be used with context, but you always have to go the ps->pdf route)

I used pstricks for this purpose for my dissertation years ago (LaTeX, dvips). It's been years since I used pstricks, does not seem too popular with ConTeXt, dvips does not work well with ConTeXt virtual fonts, etc....

2) Easiest syntax and prettiest looking output: tikz. You need one of the recent versions of tikz that work fine with context (except some of the exotic features, like adding arbitrary nodes to the page)

Never heard of it; will look it up

3) A very flexible system, but it takes a while to get used to the syntax: Metaobj. You also need a workabound to get metaobj to run correctly with metafun (search the mailing list for Taco's reply on a mail with metaobj in the subject)

Will look this up as well, though I don't look forward to yet another syntax (still need to get used to metapost ;-)

For things like this, my personal recommendation will be tikz. It is not as powerful as metapost, since all the calculations are done in tex, but the user interface is slightly easier to use than metapost, and it has a good looking library of functions.

If you need something, quick and dirty, plain metapost with boxes package will also work. There is also the flowchart module, but I do not think that it can draw diagonal lines.

Yes, otherwise that module would be the ticket. Maybe someone will extend it someday; I think a tree-chart module is at least just as important as one for flow charts. THANK YOU for the info! Best Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:

On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:05:08 -0700, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:

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2) Easiest syntax and prettiest looking output: tikz. You need one of the recent versions of tikz that work fine with context (except some of the exotic features, like adding arbitrary nodes to the page)

Never heard of it; will look it up

This looks like a really nice package. The following, howeve, cracked me up (manual, page 67):

"This special module is necessary since ConTeXt satanically restricts the length of module names..."

LOL '<

This was true until about the beginning of 2005. I do not know when Till Tantau first tried to port pgf to context. A while back I told him that this is no longer true for ConTeXt .... but there has not been a new release of the manual for a while. I also found the following to be funny: <quote> 2.2.3 Setting up the Environment in ConTEXt Karl’s uncle Hans uses ConTEXt. Like Gerda, Hans can also use TikZ. </quote> If you decide to try it, check out the code from CVS rather than from CTAN. There have been some changes since version 1.10, many of them improve the compatibility with ConTeXt (colors, etc.) Aditya

Hi, On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:30:26 -0700, Hans Hagen wrote:

Btw, Willy Egger has a hard cover version of that manual which me might like to take to the context meeting.

I'd like to see a better integration of this package with ConTeXt. For example, hooking it into the ConTeXt color mechanism (unless you guys have some tricks up your sleave you'ld like to share ;-) I could not get global text color within a TikZ environment without individually coloring every node... Best Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523 Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/

Hi, when testing the small example from the tikz manual, I got this ... module tikz not found error, texexec stopping with undefined \tikzstyle. On a fresh debian installation, that is. I seem to remember this error from some earlier tryouts but not the solution. Anyone for a hint? Thanks, Jak.

With texlive and pgf (which contains tikz) from testing and latest context (2007.01.23-3) from unstable, the tikz module is found, but still it does not work. Log attached. 2007/2/22, Aditya Mahajan :

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007, plink wrote:

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Hi,

when testing the small example from the tikz manual, I got this ... module tikz not found

You need to install the tikz module. Download tikz from the sourceforge website or CTAN, and unzip it in a temporary directory. Then you need to correct the directory structure to conform to TDS. There are some instructions in the tikz manual.

You will also need to install xkeyval, in case your installation does not have it.

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error, texexec stopping with undefined \tikzstyle.

Since tikz module is not found, these will be missing.

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On a fresh debian installation, that is.

ConTeXt compatibility was added recently (4-5 months ago). I do not know whether debian stable has it or not. Maybe first you should try to update the tex installation using debian methods (I do not know those).

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It reports nothing, which is disturbing since locate t-tikz.tex gives /usr/share/texmf/context/pgf/frontendlayer/t-tikz.tex I suppose this indicates some change is needed in texmf.cnf? Changing \usemodule[tikz] to \usemodule[t][tikz] did not help. Johan 2007/2/23, Aditya Mahajan :

On Fri, 23 Feb 2007, Johan Sandblom wrote:

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With texlive and pgf (which contains tikz) from testing and latest context (2007.01.23-3) from unstable, the tikz module is found, but still it does not work. Log attached.

Your log file says

system : module tikz loaded (/usr/share/texmf/tex/plain/pgf/frontendlayer/tikz.tex

which means that it is finding tikz.tex (plain support) rather than t-tikz.tex (context support)

On my system (Windows+mswincontext) I get

system : module tikz loaded (e:/isoimage/usr/local/context/tex/texmf-project/tex/context/pgf/frontendlayer t-tikz.tex

followed by loading of a lot of files under tex/context/pgf...

What does kpsewhich t-tikz.tex give on your system. If it is not found, it may mean that either pgf is not uptodate or not installed correctly.

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Aditya Mahajan wrote:

On my system (Windows+mswincontext) I get

system : module tikz loaded (e:/isoimage/usr/local/context/tex/texmf-project/tex/context/pgf/frontendlayer t-tikz.tex

followed by loading of a lot of files under tex/context/pgf...

What does kpsewhich t-tikz.tex give on your system. If it is not found, it may mean that either pgf is not uptodate or not installed correctly.

Hm, this is strange. On my system (Debian with TeXLive 2005, without the separate context package, but that shouldn't matter), it isn't found either: (517)[21:48:19]frank@riesling:~$ kpsewhich --progname=context t-tikz.tex (518)[21:48:24]frank@riesling:~$ ls /usr/share/texmf/context/pgf/frontendlayer/t-tikz.tex /usr/share/texmf/context/pgf/frontendlayer/t-tikz.tex (519)[21:48:30]frank@riesling:~$ grep t-tikz.tex /usr/share/texmf/ls-R t-tikz.tex (520)[21:48:32]frank@riesling:~$ but it should. As shown above, it's in the ls-R database, and it's in the search patch for context: $ kpsewhich --progname=context tikz.tex /usr/share/texmf/tex/plain/pgf/frontendlayer/tikz.tex (521)[21:49:41]frank@riesling:~$ kpsewhich --progname=context --show-path=tex | sed -e 's/:/\n/g' | grep /usr/share/texmf !!/usr/share/texmf/tex/context// !!/usr/share/texmf-texlive/tex/context// !!/usr/share/texmf-tetex/tex/context// !!/usr/share/texmf/tex/plain// So t-tikz.tex is definetely earlier than tikz.tex. Next thing would be to run kpsewhich with --debug, but I don't have time for this ATM. Regards, Frank -- Dr. Frank Küster Single Molecule Spectroscopy, Protein Folding @ Inst. f. Biochemie, Univ. Zürich Debian Developer (teTeX/TeXLive)

Ohura-san, any plans to fix this bug? It was again noticed on the ConTeXt mailing list; in Debian, tikz.tex is found earlier than t-tikz.tex, and therefore there's no tikz support for ConTeXt. Ralf Stubner wrote:

Frank Küster wrote:

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(517)[21:48:19]frank@riesling:~$ kpsewhich --progname=context t-tikz.tex (518)[21:48:24]frank@riesling:~$ ls /usr/share/texmf/context/pgf/frontendlayer/t-tikz.tex /usr/share/texmf/context/pgf/frontendlayer/t-tikz.tex ^ shouldn't there be a 'tex' path component?

Then it would be in the serch path for ConTeXt.

(or rather, it would be before anything in tex/context, tex/plain and tex/generic, and no longer at random order with respect to other things in the whole tree; TEXMF//) is also included. I didn't notice the missing component. That is bug #394613 in pgf. Regards, Frank -- Dr. Frank Küster Single Molecule Spectroscopy, Protein Folding @ Inst. f. Biochemie, Univ. Zürich Debian Developer (teTeX/TeXLive)

"Johan Sandblom" wrote:

It appears to be fixed in 1.10, no?

Hm, is it fixed? From the bug log and attached patch, it rather seemed to be an error in the Debian packaging. Regards, Frank -- Dr. Frank Küster Single Molecule Spectroscopy, Protein Folding @ Inst. f. Biochemie, Univ. Zürich Debian Developer (teTeX/TeXLive)

Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:

Hi,

On Thu, 22 Feb 2007 01:30:26 -0700, Hans Hagen wrote:

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Btw, Willy Egger has a hard cover version of that manual which me might like to take to the context meeting.

I'd like to see a better integration of this package with ConTeXt. For example, hooking it into the ConTeXt color mechanism (unless you guys have some tricks up your sleave you'ld like to share ;-) I could not get global text color within a TikZ environment without individually coloring every node...

well, i first need a project where i can apply tikz -) (currently luatex dev take most time available for dev) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:

On Wed, 21 Feb 2007 12:05:08 -0700, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:

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2) Easiest syntax and prettiest looking output: tikz. You need one of the recent versions of tikz that work fine with context (except some of the exotic features, like adding arbitrary nodes to the page)

Never heard of it; will look it up

This looks like a really nice package. The following, howeve, cracked me up (manual, page 67):

"This special module is necessary since ConTeXt satanically restricts the length of module names..."

hm, that restriction has been dropped quite some time ago but there is the restriction that a third party module must start with t- also, names can (and could) be remapped from long to short etc Hans -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

On Wed, 21 Feb 2007, David C. Walden wrote:

Is there an easy way in ConTeXt to do the equivalent of \enlargethispage{1\baselineskip} in LaTeX?

\adaptlayout[lines=+1] Aditya