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Liesbeth van der Plas

27 Aug 2007 27 Aug '07

8:42 a.m.

In context the following plain tex columnscript works all right: %-------------------------- plain tex, Knuth p.232 $$\vbox{\settabs 3\columns \+This is&a srange&example \cr \+of displayed&three-column&format.\cr}$$ %-------------------------- /plain tex In latex it doesn't work. Latex says that \settabs is undefined. Does anyone know why? -- liesbethvanderplas@gmail.com www.wiskunde-interactief.nl

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Arthur Reutenauer

27 Aug 27 Aug

10:07 a.m.

In latex it doesn't work. Latex says that \settabs is undefined. Does anyone know why?

Yes, that's because \settabs is not a TeX primitive and is defined in plain.tex (line 602, \def\settabs{\setbox\tabs\null \futurelet\next\sett@b}). In LaTeX I guess you want to look into the tabbing environment, or the more high-level tabular sort of things. ConTeXt takes over most of the Plain TeX macros; that's why it's defined here and not in LaTeX. Arthur

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Liesbeth van der Plas

11:48 a.m.

Really!. That's really a disadvantage of Latex! I thought Knuth's primitives plus macro's were together 'plain tex' and thus untouched in both Context and Latex. Thanks for your help. The reason to write a booklet in Latex instead of in context was that I wanted to use some amstex macro's. Is it possible to use amstex in context as well? Liesbeth 2007/8/27, Arthur Reutenauer :

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In latex it doesn't work. Latex says that \settabs is undefined. Does anyone know why?

Yes, that's because \settabs is not a TeX primitive and is defined in plain.tex (line 602, \def\settabs{\setbox\tabs\null \futurelet\next\sett@b}). In LaTeX I guess you want to look into the tabbing environment, or the more high-level tabular sort of things.

ConTeXt takes over most of the Plain TeX macros; that's why it's defined here and not in LaTeX.

Arthur

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George N. White III

2:03 p.m.

On 8/27/07, Liesbeth van der Plas wrote:

Really!. That's really a disadvantage of Latex! I thought Knuth's primitives plus macro's were together 'plain tex' and thus untouched in both Context and Latex.

No -- in some cases there are real conflicts, but in this case, you might get away with just pasting lines 598--632 from plain.tex, bracketed with \makeatletter and \makeatother (which will also be needed around your table). \documentclass{minimal} \makeatletter \newif\ifus@ \newif\if@cr [...] \box\z@} \makeatother \begin{document} \input tufte \makeatletter $$\vbox{\settabs 3\columns \+This is&a srange&example \cr \+of displayed&three-column&format.\cr}$$ \makeatother \end{document}

Thanks for your help. The reason to write a booklet in Latex instead of in context was that I wanted to use some amstex macro's. Is it possible to use amstex in context as well?

What part of amstex? The math-ams module defines characters, but I'm not sure about some of the advanced layout stuff. -- George N. White III Head of St. Margarets Bay, Nova Scotia

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Aditya Mahajan

2:17 p.m.

On Mon, 27 Aug 2007, Liesbeth van der Plas wrote:

The reason to write a booklet in Latex instead of in context was that I wanted to use some amstex macro's. Is it possible to use amstex in context as well?

ConTeXt has the functionality for most of amstex macros. The syntax is a bit different from amstex, it is a bit more contextish. See http://dl.contextgarden.net/myway/context-latex-math.pdf and http://dl.contextgarden.net/myway/mathalign.pdf Aditya

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Liesbeth van der Plas

31 Aug 31 Aug

1:52 p.m.

Is there an equivalent of the amstex *\overset* macro? I couldn't find it in your articles. Liesbeth 2007/8/27, Aditya Mahajan :

On Mon, 27 Aug 2007, Liesbeth van der Plas wrote:

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The reason to write a booklet in Latex instead of in context was that I wanted to use some amstex macro's. Is it possible to use amstex in context as well?

ConTeXt has the functionality for most of amstex macros. The syntax is a bit different from amstex, it is a bit more contextish. See

http://dl.contextgarden.net/myway/context-latex-math.pdf and http://dl.contextgarden.net/myway/mathalign.pdf

Aditya

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Aditya Mahajan

2:30 p.m.

Yes. \overset and \underset were ported to context some months back. If you have a recent install, both should work. Aditya On Fri, 31 Aug 2007, Liesbeth van der Plas wrote:

Is there an equivalent of the amstex *\overset* macro? I couldn't find it in your articles.

Liesbeth

2007/8/27, Aditya Mahajan :

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On Mon, 27 Aug 2007, Liesbeth van der Plas wrote:

...
The reason to write a booklet in Latex instead of in context was that I wanted to use some amstex macro's. Is it possible to use amstex in context as well?

ConTeXt has the functionality for most of amstex macros. The syntax is a bit different from amstex, it is a bit more contextish. See

http://dl.contextgarden.net/myway/context-latex-math.pdf and http://dl.contextgarden.net/myway/mathalign.pdf

Aditya

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Liesbeth van der Plas

3:43 p.m.

It doesn't work, so I haven't got it. Can I get the source .tex of \overset and \underset and use \input instead of reinstalling things? It costed me a lot of time to get everything work all right, so I am not very eager to risk spoiling things (I used the ProText cd-rom for Windows). Liesbeth 2007/8/31, Aditya Mahajan :

Yes. \overset and \underset were ported to context some months back. If you have a recent install, both should work.

Aditya

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007, Liesbeth van der Plas wrote:

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Is there an equivalent of the amstex *\overset* macro? I couldn't find it in your articles.

Liesbeth

2007/8/27, Aditya Mahajan :

...
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007, Liesbeth van der Plas wrote:

...
The reason to write a booklet in Latex instead of in context was that

I

...
...
wanted to use some amstex macro's. Is it possible to use amstex in context as well?

ConTeXt has the functionality for most of amstex macros. The syntax is a bit different from amstex, it is a bit more contextish. See

http://dl.contextgarden.net/myway/context-latex-math.pdf and http://dl.contextgarden.net/myway/mathalign.pdf

Aditya

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If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

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-- liesbethvanderplas@gmail.com www.wiskunde-interactief.nl

-- Aditya Mahajan | EECS Systems, University of Michigan http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~adityam | Ph: 734.262.4008

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Aditya Mahajan

4:36 p.m.

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007, Liesbeth van der Plas wrote:

It doesn't work, so I haven't got it. Can I get the source .tex of \overset and \underset and use \input instead of reinstalling things? It costed me a lot of time to get everything work all right, so I am not very eager to risk spoiling things (I used the ProText cd-rom for Windows).

Copy the definitions of preparebinrel, overset and underset from http://source.contextgarden.net/tex/context/base/core-mat.tex?search=overset Aditya

2007/8/31, Aditya Mahajan :

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Yes. \overset and \underset were ported to context some months back. If you have a recent install, both should work.

Aditya

On Fri, 31 Aug 2007, Liesbeth van der Plas wrote:

...
Is there an equivalent of the amstex *\overset* macro? I couldn't find it in your articles.

Liesbeth

2007/8/27, Aditya Mahajan :

...
On Mon, 27 Aug 2007, Liesbeth van der Plas wrote:

...
The reason to write a booklet in Latex instead of in context was that

I

...
...
wanted to use some amstex macro's. Is it possible to use amstex in context as well?

ConTeXt has the functionality for most of amstex macros. The syntax is a bit different from amstex, it is a bit more contextish. See

http://dl.contextgarden.net/myway/context-latex-math.pdf and http://dl.contextgarden.net/myway/mathalign.pdf

Aditya

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...
If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : https://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net

...
...
-- liesbethvanderplas@gmail.com www.wiskunde-interactief.nl

-- Aditya Mahajan | EECS Systems, University of Michigan http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~adityam | Ph: 734.262.4008

___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

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___________________________________________________________________________________

-- liesbethvanderplas@gmail.com www.wiskunde-interactief.nl

-- Aditya Mahajan | EECS Systems, University of Michigan http://www.eecs.umich.edu/~adityam | Ph: 734.262.4008

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