Hi,
This has been previously discussed on the list but I didn't find a resolution to the issue. It might as well be my fault since I didn't go through the entire archive and I am needless to say new to CONTEXT.
In a bidi text (Persian/English in my case), I would like the footnote rule to be placed on the right-hand side if and only if the first line of the footnote text is RTL. Is there a way this information can be obtained within a user-defined rulecommand. Ideally I'd like a rule=autodir attribute for notes in addition to the current left & right.
Speaking of which, the left & right rules do not seem to work, or I misunderstand their point. When used (either left or right), the footnote rule disappears.
\starttext
\definenote[afootnote][paragraph=no,rule=right]
\startalignment[r2l] righttoleft text\afootnote{\input ward } \input tufte \stopalignment
\startalignment[l2r] lefttoright text\afootnote{\input ward} \input tufte \stopalignment
\stoptext
I see these defined in strc-not.mkvi http://repo.or.cz/w/context.git/blob/HEAD:/tex/context/base/strc-not.mkvi and still don't work with "% macros=mkvi" in the first line of the input file and when the file has extension mkvi. Is this some issue of mkiv vs mkvi? For what it's worth, I don't notice a reference to MKVI in the compilation output.
Back to the main question, I can define my own rule as follows:
\unprotect \def\myfootrule{% \ifvmode \dontleavehmode \hskip.8\hsize\blackrule [\c!color=\noteparameter\c!rulecolor, \c!width=.2\hsize, \c!height=\noteparameter\c!rulethickness, \c!depth=\zeropoint]% \endgraf \kern\strutdepth \fi} \protect
Then I can use
\definenote[afootnote][paragraph=no,rule=command,rulecommand=\myfootrule]
to get a footnote rule on the right-hand side. If I can figure out whether the first line of the footnote text is RTL or LTR, an if-statement can do the trick I want. Somewhat related to this, I was wondering whether it's possible to define two note commands, say \footnote and \afootnote, that use the same counter but are otherwise completely different.
I use TeXLive 2015 on Mac OS X, CONTEXT 2015.05.18 12:26, and LuaTeX, Version beta-0.80.0 (TeX Live 2015) (rev 5238).
Thanks a lot! —MHB
I just found out that \definenote[afootnote][rule={on,right}] instead of \definenote[afootnote][rule=right] works and places the footnote rule on the right-hand side.
Still wondering about how to get automatic right/left rules.
On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Mohammad Hossein Bateni bateni@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
This has been previously discussed on the list but I didn't find a resolution to the issue. It might as well be my fault since I didn't go through the entire archive and I am needless to say new to CONTEXT.
In a bidi text (Persian/English in my case), I would like the footnote rule to be placed on the right-hand side if and only if the first line of the footnote text is RTL. Is there a way this information can be obtained within a user-defined rulecommand. Ideally I'd like a rule=autodir attribute for notes in addition to the current left & right.
Speaking of which, the left & right rules do not seem to work, or I misunderstand their point. When used (either left or right), the footnote rule disappears.
\starttext
\definenote[afootnote][paragraph=no,rule=right]
\startalignment[r2l] righttoleft text\afootnote{\input ward } \input tufte \stopalignment
\startalignment[l2r] lefttoright text\afootnote{\input ward} \input tufte \stopalignment
\stoptext
I see these defined in strc-not.mkvi http://repo.or.cz/w/context.git/blob/HEAD:/tex/context/base/strc-not.mkvi and still don't work with "% macros=mkvi" in the first line of the input file and when the file has extension mkvi. Is this some issue of mkiv vs mkvi? For what it's worth, I don't notice a reference to MKVI in the compilation output.
Back to the main question, I can define my own rule as follows:
\unprotect \def\myfootrule{% \ifvmode \dontleavehmode \hskip.8\hsize\blackrule [\c!color=\noteparameter\c!rulecolor, \c!width=.2\hsize, \c!height=\noteparameter\c!rulethickness, \c!depth=\zeropoint]% \endgraf \kern\strutdepth \fi} \protect
Then I can use
\definenote[afootnote][paragraph=no,rule=command,rulecommand=\myfootrule]
to get a footnote rule on the right-hand side. If I can figure out whether the first line of the footnote text is RTL or LTR, an if-statement can do the trick I want. Somewhat related to this, I was wondering whether it's possible to define two note commands, say \footnote and \afootnote, that use the same counter but are otherwise completely different.
I use TeXLive 2015 on Mac OS X, CONTEXT 2015.05.18 12:26, and LuaTeX, Version beta-0.80.0 (TeX Live 2015) (rev 5238).
Thanks a lot! —MHB
On 1/3/2016 8:58 PM, Mohammad Hossein Bateni wrote:
I just found out that \definenote[afootnote][rule={on,right}] instead of \definenote[afootnote][rule=right] works and places the footnote rule on the right-hand side.
Still wondering about how to get automatic right/left rules.
what do you mean with automatic ... the problem with mixed direction documents is that these things are part of the document design: dominant direction vs local direction and right now we don't have a clear model for that (if only because till now demands were always conflicting so what works as default for someone doesn't for someone else)
(i can imagine some modules that set up things)
On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Mohammad Hossein Bateni <bateni@gmail.com mailto:bateni@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, This has been previously discussed on the list but I didn't find a resolution to the issue. It might as well be my fault since I didn't go through the entire archive and I am needless to say new to CONTEXT. In a bidi text (Persian/English in my case), I would like the footnote rule to be placed on the right-hand side if and only if the first line of the footnote text is RTL. Is there a way this information can be obtained within a user-defined rulecommand. Ideally I'd like a rule=autodir attribute for notes in addition to the current left & right. Speaking of which, the left & right rules do not seem to work, or I misunderstand their point. When used (either left or right), the footnote rule disappears. \starttext \definenote[afootnote][paragraph=no,rule=right] \startalignment[r2l] righttoleft text\afootnote{\input ward } \input tufte \stopalignment \startalignment[l2r] lefttoright text\afootnote{\input ward} \input tufte \stopalignment \stoptext I see these defined in strc-not.mkvi <http://repo.or.cz/w/context.git/blob/HEAD:/tex/context/base/strc-not.mkvi> and still don't work with "% macros=mkvi" in the first line of the input file and when the file has extension mkvi. Is this some issue of mkiv vs mkvi? For what it's worth, I don't notice a reference to MKVI in the compilation output. Back to the main question, I can define my own rule as follows: \unprotect \def\myfootrule{% \ifvmode \dontleavehmode \hskip.8\hsize\blackrule [\c!color=\noteparameter\c!rulecolor, \c!width=.2\hsize, \c!height=\noteparameter\c!rulethickness, \c!depth=\zeropoint]% \endgraf \kern\strutdepth \fi} \protect Then I can use \definenote[afootnote][paragraph=no,rule=command,rulecommand=\myfootrule] to get a footnote rule on the right-hand side. If I can figure out whether the first line of the footnote text is RTL or LTR, an if-statement can do the trick I want. Somewhat related to this, I was wondering whether it's possible to define two note commands, say \footnote and \afootnote, that use the same counter but are otherwise completely different. I use TeXLive 2015 on Mac OS X, CONTEXT 2015.05.18 12:26, and LuaTeX, Version beta-0.80.0 (TeX Live 2015) (rev 5238). Thanks a lot! —MHB
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I see your point, Hans. For what it's worth, that's the default for mixed Persian/English documents unless one uses a system that cannot do it. For instance, FarsiTeX and XePersian provide that as default behavior.
That said, I'm not asking for this to be the default. I only want to know how it can be achieved. The code will be put in my style file or module.
Is it possible to determine the direction of the first line of footnote block while typesetting the footnote rule? I imagine it should not be difficult in Lua. Note that this may be the leftover from a long footnote that started on some previous page.
--MHB On Jan 3, 2016 5:26 PM, "Hans Hagen" pragma@wxs.nl wrote:
On 1/3/2016 8:58 PM, Mohammad Hossein Bateni wrote:
I just found out that \definenote[afootnote][rule={on,right}] instead of \definenote[afootnote][rule=right] works and places the footnote rule on the right-hand side.
Still wondering about how to get automatic right/left rules.
what do you mean with automatic ... the problem with mixed direction documents is that these things are part of the document design: dominant direction vs local direction and right now we don't have a clear model for that (if only because till now demands were always conflicting so what works as default for someone doesn't for someone else)
(i can imagine some modules that set up things)
On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Mohammad Hossein Bateni
<bateni@gmail.com mailto:bateni@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, This has been previously discussed on the list but I didn't find a resolution to the issue. It might as well be my fault since I didn't go through the entire archive and I am needless to say new to CONTEXT. In a bidi text (Persian/English in my case), I would like the footnote rule to be placed on the right-hand side if and only if the first line of the footnote text is RTL. Is there a way this information can be obtained within a user-defined rulecommand. Ideally I'd like a rule=autodir attribute for notes in addition to the current left & right. Speaking of which, the left & right rules do not seem to work, or I misunderstand their point. When used (either left or right), the footnote rule disappears. \starttext \definenote[afootnote][paragraph=no,rule=right] \startalignment[r2l] righttoleft text\afootnote{\input ward } \input tufte \stopalignment \startalignment[l2r] lefttoright text\afootnote{\input ward} \input tufte \stopalignment \stoptext I see these defined in strc-not.mkvi <http://repo.or.cz/w/context.git/blob/HEAD:/tex/context/base/strc-not.mkvi%3E and still don't work with "% macros=mkvi" in the first line of the input file and when the file has extension mkvi. Is this some issue of mkiv vs mkvi? For what it's worth, I don't notice a reference to MKVI in the compilation output.
Back to the main question, I can define my own rule as follows: \unprotect \def\myfootrule{% \ifvmode \dontleavehmode \hskip.8\hsize\blackrule [\c!color=\noteparameter\c!rulecolor, \c!width=.2\hsize, \c!height=\noteparameter\c!rulethickness, \c!depth=\zeropoint]% \endgraf \kern\strutdepth \fi} \protect Then I can use\definenote[afootnote][paragraph=no,rule=command,rulecommand=\myfootrule]
to get a footnote rule on the right-hand side. If I can figure out whether the first line of the footnote text is RTL or LTR, an if-statement can do the trick I want. Somewhat related to this, I was wondering whether it's possible to define two note commands, say \footnote and \afootnote, that use the same counter but are otherwise completely different. I use TeXLive 2015 on Mac OS X, CONTEXT 2015.05.18 12:26, and LuaTeX, Version beta-0.80.0 (TeX Live 2015) (rev 5238). Thanks a lot! —MHB
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On 1/4/2016 1:00 AM, Mohammad Hossein Bateni wrote:
I see your point, Hans. For what it's worth, that's the default for mixed Persian/English documents unless one uses a system that cannot do it. For instance, FarsiTeX and XePersian provide that as default behavior.
That said, I'm not asking for this to be the default. I only want to know how it can be achieved. The code will be put in my style file or module.
i'll add rule=paragraph (i.e. listen to the first following paragraph if possible) ... you need to document it as for sure i forget about it
Is it possible to determine the direction of the first line of footnote block while typesetting the footnote rule? I imagine it should not be difficult in Lua. Note that this may be the leftover from a long footnote that started on some previous page.
--MHB
On Jan 3, 2016 5:26 PM, "Hans Hagen" <pragma@wxs.nl mailto:pragma@wxs.nl> wrote:
On 1/3/2016 8:58 PM, Mohammad Hossein Bateni wrote: I just found out that \definenote[afootnote][rule={on,right}] instead of \definenote[afootnote][rule=right] works and places the footnote rule on the right-hand side. Still wondering about how to get automatic right/left rules. what do you mean with automatic ... the problem with mixed direction documents is that these things are part of the document design: dominant direction vs local direction and right now we don't have a clear model for that (if only because till now demands were always conflicting so what works as default for someone doesn't for someone else) (i can imagine some modules that set up things) On Sun, Jan 3, 2016 at 1:22 PM, Mohammad Hossein Bateni <bateni@gmail.com <mailto:bateni@gmail.com> <mailto:bateni@gmail.com <mailto:bateni@gmail.com>>> wrote: Hi, This has been previously discussed on the list but I didn't find a resolution to the issue. It might as well be my fault since I didn't go through the entire archive and I am needless to say new to CONTEXT. In a bidi text (Persian/English in my case), I would like the footnote rule to be placed on the right-hand side if and only if the first line of the footnote text is RTL. Is there a way this information can be obtained within a user-defined rulecommand. Ideally I'd like a rule=autodir attribute for notes in addition to the current left & right. Speaking of which, the left & right rules do not seem to work, or I misunderstand their point. When used (either left or right), the footnote rule disappears. \starttext \definenote[afootnote][paragraph=no,rule=right] \startalignment[r2l] righttoleft text\afootnote{\input ward } \input tufte \stopalignment \startalignment[l2r] lefttoright text\afootnote{\input ward} \input tufte \stopalignment \stoptext I see these defined in strc-not.mkvi <http://repo.or.cz/w/context.git/blob/HEAD:/tex/context/base/strc-not.mkvi> and still don't work with "% macros=mkvi" in the first line of the input file and when the file has extension mkvi. Is this some issue of mkiv vs mkvi? For what it's worth, I don't notice a reference to MKVI in the compilation output. Back to the main question, I can define my own rule as follows: \unprotect \def\myfootrule{% \ifvmode \dontleavehmode \hskip.8\hsize\blackrule [\c!color=\noteparameter\c!rulecolor, \c!width=.2\hsize, \c!height=\noteparameter\c!rulethickness, \c!depth=\zeropoint]% \endgraf \kern\strutdepth \fi} \protect Then I can use \definenote[afootnote][paragraph=no,rule=command,rulecommand=\myfootrule] to get a footnote rule on the right-hand side. If I can figure out whether the first line of the footnote text is RTL or LTR, an if-statement can do the trick I want. Somewhat related to this, I was wondering whether it's possible to define two note commands, say \footnote and \afootnote, that use the same counter but are otherwise completely different. I use TeXLive 2015 on Mac OS X, CONTEXT 2015.05.18 12 <tel:2015.05.18%2012>:26, and LuaTeX, Version beta-0.80.0 (TeX Live 2015) (rev 5238). Thanks a lot! —MHB ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl <mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl> / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________ -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com <http://www.pragma-ade.com> | www.pragma-pod.nl <http://www.pragma-pod.nl> ----------------------------------------------------------------- ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nl <mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl> / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________
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That said, I'm not asking for this to be the default. I only want to
know how it can be achieved. The code will be put in my style file or module.
i'll add rule=paragraph (i.e. listen to the first following paragraph if possible) ... you need to document it as for sure i forget about it
Awesome! Thanks, Hans! Once this becomes available and I test it, I'll update the documentation for Footnotes on Context Garden.
Is it possible to determine the direction of the first line of footnote
block while typesetting the footnote rule? I imagine it should not be difficult in Lua. Note that this may be the leftover from a long footnote that started on some previous page.
—MHB
I updated the documentation on context garden. Hans, I hadn't noticed that you updated the macros on the same day as your last message!
I had another question regarding the definition of notes/footnotes. It is not that important but I am curious: is it possible to define two notes that are essentially the same except for some of their stylistic definitions? Let me give an example.
some text \Afootnote{A} more text \Bfootnote{B} some more text \Afootnote{C}
And I want the result at the bottom of the page to read:
1 A 2 B 3 C
However, I'd like to have the power to control how the numbers are typeset in the text and at the bottom, as well as determine the fonts, etc. of \Afootnote and \Bfootnote separately.
On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Mohammad Hossein Bateni bateni@gmail.com wrote:
That said, I'm not asking for this to be the default. I only want to
know how it can be achieved. The code will be put in my style file or module.
i'll add rule=paragraph (i.e. listen to the first following paragraph if possible) ... you need to document it as for sure i forget about it
Awesome! Thanks, Hans! Once this becomes available and I test it, I'll update the documentation for Footnotes on Context Garden.
Is it possible to determine the direction of the first line of footnote
block while typesetting the footnote rule? I imagine it should not be difficult in Lua. Note that this may be the leftover from a long footnote that started on some previous page.
—MHB
On 1/9/2016 3:15 AM, Mohammad Hossein Bateni wrote:
I updated the documentation on context garden. Hans, I hadn't noticed that you updated the macros on the same day as your last message!
I had another question regarding the definition of notes/footnotes. It is not that important but I am curious: is it possible to define two notes that are essentially the same except for some of their stylistic definitions? Let me give an example.
some text \Afootnote{A} more text \Bfootnote{B} some more text \Afootnote{C}
And I want the result at the bottom of the page to read:
1 A 2 B 3 C
However, I'd like to have the power to control how the numbers are typeset in the text and at the bottom, as well as determine the fonts, etc. of \Afootnote and \Bfootnote separately.
\definenote[handnote][footnote] \setupnotation[handnote][style=bold] \definenote[earnote] [footnote] \setupnotation[earnote] [style=bolditalic,color=green] \definenote[nosenote][earnote] \setupnotation[nosenote][color=red]
\starttext
a foot note \footnote{A} a hand note \handnote{B} an ear note \earnote{C} a nose note \nosenote{D}
\stoptext
On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Mohammad Hossein Bateni <bateni@gmail.com mailto:bateni@gmail.com> wrote:
That said, I'm not asking for this to be the default. I only want to know how it can be achieved. The code will be put in my style file or module. i'll add rule=paragraph (i.e. listen to the first following paragraph if possible) ... you need to document it as for sure i forget about it Awesome! Thanks, Hans! Once this becomes available and I test it, I'll update the documentation for Footnotes on Context Garden. Is it possible to determine the direction of the first line of footnote block while typesetting the footnote rule? I imagine it should not be difficult in Lua. Note that this may be the leftover from a long footnote that started on some previous page. —MHB
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Awesome, thanks!
On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Hans Hagen pragma@wxs.nl wrote:
On 1/9/2016 3:15 AM, Mohammad Hossein Bateni wrote:
I updated the documentation on context garden. Hans, I hadn't noticed that you updated the macros on the same day as your last message!
I had another question regarding the definition of notes/footnotes. It is not that important but I am curious: is it possible to define two notes that are essentially the same except for some of their stylistic definitions? Let me give an example.
some text \Afootnote{A} more text \Bfootnote{B} some more text \Afootnote{C}
And I want the result at the bottom of the page to read:
1 A 2 B 3 C
However, I'd like to have the power to control how the numbers are typeset in the text and at the bottom, as well as determine the fonts, etc. of \Afootnote and \Bfootnote separately.
\definenote[handnote][footnote] \setupnotation[handnote][style=bold] \definenote[earnote] [footnote] \setupnotation[earnote] [style=bolditalic,color=green] \definenote[nosenote][earnote] \setupnotation[nosenote][color=red]
\starttext
a foot note \footnote{A} a hand note \handnote{B} an ear note \earnote{C} a nose note \nosenote{D}
\stoptext
On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 11:21 AM, Mohammad Hossein Bateni
<bateni@gmail.com mailto:bateni@gmail.com> wrote:
That said, I'm not asking for this to be the default. I only want to know how it can be achieved. The code will be put in my style file or module. i'll add rule=paragraph (i.e. listen to the first following paragraph if possible) ... you need to document it as for sure i forget about it Awesome! Thanks, Hans! Once this becomes available and I test it, I'll update the documentation for Footnotes on Context Garden. Is it possible to determine the direction of the first line of footnote block while typesetting the footnote rule? I imagine it should not be difficult in Lua. Note that this may be the leftover from along footnote that started on some previous page.
—MHB
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