Some Footnote Questions (from the Wiki)
I've been updating the Footnotes page on the Wiki, and have a few questions as a result: 1.) Footnotes in footnotes in footnotes. Are these possible? When I do something like \footnote{A note\footnote{With a note\footnote{With a third footnote.}.}.}, only the first two notes are included in the footnote block, though the number for the third footnote is generated. 2.) Footnotes as marginals. There was text on the Wiki saying that it's possible to typeset footnotes as marginals, but I can't find any references to this in the ConTeXt manual. Am I missing something? I know it's possible to do marginal notes, but those don't get footnote numbers, and so aren't the same thing.... 3.) Footnotes placed without line breaks. If one does a number of short footnotes, they get set like so: 1. One 2. Two 3. Three 4. Four Is it possible to have them set without line breaks, like this? If so, how? 1. One 2. Two 3. Three 4. Four 4.) Footnote alignment. Currently, footnotes are set so that the left end of the text of the footnote is aligned with the left edge of the text, and the footnote number hangs out into the margin. Is it possible to change this? (For instance, suppose I would like the number aligned to the text-edge, and then a fixed-width space, and then the text?) 5.) In LaTeX, there's a means to place a footnote (and generate a number and reference for the footnote) without typesetting the number in the text, in order to handle cases where the "real" footnote mechanism breaks down. Is it possible to do this in ConTeXt? 6. When I reference a footnote's number using \note[ref], I get the number typeset as a superscript. This looks a little odd to me in sentences such as "See footnote \note[ref] on the previous page" -- it would look better if the number (or symbol) were typeset in the normal font. Is there another way to reference it so as to do that? 7. What does the "location=high" in \setupfootnotes do? Thanks! - Brooks
Replying to myself (sorry); I discovered the answer to one of these questions already. At 01:39 PM 9/3/2005, I wrote:
6. When I reference a footnote's number using \note[ref], I get the number typeset as a superscript. This looks a little odd to me in sentences such as "See footnote \note[ref] on the previous page" -- it would look better if the number (or symbol) were typeset in the normal font. Is there another way to reference it so as to do that?
It is, indeed, possible to reference footnotes in the usual way for other references, with \in{}[] and \at{}[], and they act as one would expect. (I haven't investigated whether \note[] works for non-footnote references. :) - Brooks
Hi Brooks, Brooks Moses wrote:
I've been updating the Footnotes page on the Wiki, and have a few questions as a result:
1.) Footnotes in footnotes in footnotes. Are these possible? When I do something like \footnote{A note\footnote{With a note\footnote{With a third footnote.}.}.}, only the first two notes are included in the footnote block, though the number for the third footnote is generated.
The wiki text was a bit too enthousiastic, I believe. From some experimentation, it appears that you can have * footnotes in footnotes, * other (user-defined) notes in footnotes, * notes in footnotes in footnotes, * footnotes in notes, * notes of different types inside eachother but not: * footnotes in footnotes in footnotes * notes in notes of the same type * footnotes in notes in notes
2.) Footnotes as marginals. There was text on the Wiki saying that it's possible to typeset footnotes as marginals, but I can't find any references to this in the ConTeXt manual. Am I missing something? I know it's possible to do marginal notes, but those don't get footnote numbers, and so aren't the same thing....
There is an example in core-not.tex, but it doesn't work :-( \definenote [mynote] [way=bypage,location=,width=\marginwidth,rule=,before=,factor=0] \setuplayout [backspace=5cm,margin=3cm,margindistance=.5cm,width=middle] \setuptexttexts[margin][\vbox to \textheight{\placenotes[mynote]\vfill}][] \starttext \dorecurse{10}{test \mynote{one one one one one one} \input zapf \mynote{one one one one one one} } \stoptext (nothing at all shows, see also the bug below, at point 7.)
3.) Footnotes placed without line breaks. If one does a number of short footnotes, they get set like so:
1. One 2. Two 3. Three 4. Four
Is it possible to have them set without line breaks, like this? If so, how?
1. One 2. Two 3. Three 4. Four
At least, you can do \setupfootnotes[n=4], that typesets in four columns. The actual footnotes are desciptions, perhaps these can be tricked in appearing in-line themselves?
4.) Footnote alignment. Currently, footnotes are set so that the left end of the text of the footnote is aligned with the left edge of the text, and the footnote number hangs out into the margin. Is it possible to change this? (For instance, suppose I would like the number aligned to the text-edge, and then a fixed-width space, and then the text?)
Use \setupfootnotedefinition[location=left] See \setupdescriptions for other possible options.
5.) In LaTeX, there's a means to place a footnote (and generate a number and reference for the footnote) without typesetting the number in the text, in order to handle cases where the "real" footnote mechanism breaks down. Is it possible to do this in ConTeXt?
Does \footnote[-]{An unnumbered note} do what you want?
7. What does the "location=high" in \setupfootnotes do?
This is supposed to be a baseline correction for the bottom of the page, I think. What it actually seems to do is make the footnote texts disappear, like in this example: \setupfootnotes[location=high] \starttext \dorecurse{4}{\input zapf \footnote{one one one one one one}\endgraf } \stoptext looks like a bug :-( Taco
At 02:40 AM 9/4/2005, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
Brooks Moses wrote:
5.) In LaTeX, there's a means to place a footnote (and generate a number and reference for the footnote) without typesetting the number in the text, in order to handle cases where the "real" footnote mechanism breaks down. Is it possible to do this in ConTeXt?
Does \footnote[-]{An unnumbered note} do what you want?
Not quite, as it doesn't generate a number I can reference. What I'm thinking of is something that does what \nomarkfootnote does in the following example: A sentence\footnote{With a note\note[footB].}.\nomarkfootnote[footB]{And another.} should create the same output as nesting the footnotes: A sentence\footnote{With a note\footnote[footB]{And another.}.}. That is, \nomarkfootnote[ref] produces the same footnote as \footnote[ref], complete with an automatically-generated number that can be recalled with \note[ref] or the like. The only difference is that, like \footnote[-], it doesn't put anything in the running text. What this is useful for is for placing footnotes "in" things where one normally can't place footnotes, by only putting the \note part there, and the \nomarkfootnote in a convenient piece of nearby text. This would provide a way of solving the footnotes-in-footnotes-in...in-footnotes problem, and also might be useful in some cases with figures and tables and other floats. - Brooks
Brooks Moses wrote:
Not quite, as it doesn't generate a number I can reference. What I'm thinking of is something that does what \nomarkfootnote does in the following example:
A sentence\footnote{With a note\note[footB].}.\nomarkfootnote[footB]{And another.}
\starttext A sentence\footnote{With a note.\note[footB]}\footnotetext[footB]{And another.} \stoptext works for me, assuming I interpreted your wish correctly. Christopher
At 10:40 AM 9/9/2005, Christopher Creutzig wrote:
Brooks Moses wrote:
Not quite, as it doesn't generate a number I can reference. What I'm thinking of is something that does what \nomarkfootnote does in the following example:
A sentence\footnote{With a note\note[footB].}.\nomarkfootnote[footB]{And another.}
\starttext A sentence\footnote{With a note.\note[footB]}\footnotetext[footB]{And another.} \stoptext
works for me, assuming I interpreted your wish correctly.
You did, indeed, interpret my wish correctly. Thanks! Unfortunately, this is buggy when faced with a more complicated example -- though I'm not sure whether the bug is in ConTeXt, or if it's because we're not using \footnotetext correctly. Consider the following: \starttext This% \footnote(Or that\note[footB], if you prefer.}% \footnotetext[footB]{Or possibly even the other\note[footC].}% \footnotetext[footC]{It could be something entirely different.} is a sentence with nested footnotes\note[footB]\note[footC]. \stoptext The footnotes themselves are numbered properly: 1, 2, 3. However, the references are not -- the \note[footC] reference within the second footnote produces a superscript 2 rather than a superscript 3 -- and the references to \note[footB] and \note[footC] at the end of the text both produce superscript 3's! - Brooks
Brooks Moses wrote:
At 10:40 AM 9/9/2005, Christopher Creutzig wrote:
Brooks Moses wrote:
Not quite, as it doesn't generate a number I can reference. What I'm thinking of is something that does what \nomarkfootnote does in the following example:
A sentence\footnote{With a note\note[footB].}.\nomarkfootnote[footB]{And another.}
\starttext A sentence\footnote{With a note.\note[footB]}\footnotetext[footB]{And another.} \stoptext
works for me, assuming I interpreted your wish correctly.
You did, indeed, interpret my wish correctly. Thanks!
Unfortunately, this is buggy when faced with a more complicated example -- though I'm not sure whether the bug is in ConTeXt, or if it's because we're not using \footnotetext correctly. Consider the following:
\starttext This% \footnote(Or that\note[footB], if you prefer.}% \footnotetext[footB]{Or possibly even the other\note[footC].}% \footnotetext[footC]{It could be something entirely different.} is a sentence with nested footnotes\note[footB]\note[footC]. \stoptext
The footnotes themselves are numbered properly: 1, 2, 3. However, the references are not -- the \note[footC] reference within the second footnote produces a superscript 2 rather than a superscript 3 -- and the references to \note[footB] and \note[footC] at the end of the text both produce superscript 3's!
well, we adapt the definition of \notesymbol (i've forgotten why the extra if is there) \starttext This \footnote{A: Or that b:\in[footB], if you prefer.} \footnotetext[footB]{B: Or possibly even the other c:\in[footC].} \footnotetext[footC]{C: It could be something entirely different.} is a sentence with nested footnotes b:\in[footB] and c:\in[footC]. \def\donotesymbol[#1][#2]% {\bgroup \ifnotesenabled \def\currentnote{#1}% \ifsecondargument % \ifx\lastnotesymbol\relax \unskip \gotobox{\dodonotesymbol\currenttextreference}[#2]% % \else % \lastnotesymbol % \fi \else \lastnotesymbol \fi \fi \egroup} \page This \footnote{AA: Or that b:\note[footBB], if you prefer.} \footnotetext[footBB]{BB: Or possibly even the other c:\note[footCC].} \footnotetext[footCC]{CC: It could be something entirely different.} is a sentence with nested footnotes b:\note[footBB] and c:\note[footCC]. \stoptext Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
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