2008/7/11 Wolfgang Schuster :

On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 3:45 AM, Olivier Guéry wrote:

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Hello,

I tried to force hyphen in composed word with this : « composed||word » as explain in the manual. (Strange that context can't know that he can cut composed words after the dash, maybe it's only a french rule).

In french, the hyphenmark is « - », not « – » (endash).

So I tried \setuphyphenmark [sign = -] but no effect, I still get a « – ». This syntax : « composed|-|word » works.

\definetextmodediscretionary {} {\hyphenliketextmodediscretionary\defaultdiscretionaryhyphen\defaultdiscretionaryhyphen\empty\defaultdiscretionaryhyphen}

\setuphyphenmark[sign=-]

It works. Is this the new usual syntax (please, no ! ;)) or just a workaround ? Is there something to setup that hyphenate should alway cut composed words after the « - » ? For the moment, I must enter all composed word with « || » ? Like « où va||t||il ? » instead of « où va-t-il ? » We should never cut like this : «foo bar com- posed-word » but « foo bar composed- word. » Cheers, Olivier. -- [Message tapé sur un clavier Bépo : http://www.clavier-dvorak.org ] http://nemolivier.blogspot.com

The whole issue of typesetting URL's is dodgy because style manuals like Chicago don't want them broken. Now, Chicago is pretty conservative and has the idea that people are going to type stuff in verbatim from printed bubs and furthermore that they will always interpret a line break as a return keystroke. They also want archival type info stored in the bib entry, as if archive.org did not exist. I don't see, however, that squishing a URL down to minuscule type sizes is the answer, because using a loupe to read a URL is nuts. Electronically, this is simply BFD. One might consider using a verbatim or typewriter font switch and have that signal continuity over line breaks. That has been my approach for print matter. Still, I have avoided hyphenating a URL unless it already has one, and even then if the hyphen breaks in such a way that the linear composition is way underfull on a line, you get stuck with an ugly line. I generally break a URL at a virgule (/) closest to a good line break. Incidentally, David Fussner has been working on a Chicago style for Philipp Lehman's biblatex. He has been in communication with Joseph Reagle and me, who had done independent work on the same thing. Will something like biblatex ever appear in ConTeXt, and how might that happen? I know that Lehmann has been busy, but the whole idea of a user-extensible bib syntax that doesn't require kludging bibtex is great. Even better would be to have a set of BNF/RE style files like Endnotes, though the implementation eludes me. Lehman's biblatex seems to do that via LaTeX. Charles On Fri, 2008-07-11 at 12:22 +0200, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 11:52 AM, Olivier Guéry wrote:

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2008/7/11 Wolfgang Schuster :

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On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 3:45 AM, Olivier Guéry wrote:

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Hello,

I tried to force hyphen in composed word with this : « composed||word » as explain in the manual. (Strange that context can't know that he can cut composed words after the dash, maybe it's only a french rule).

In french, the hyphenmark is « - », not « – » (endash).

So I tried \setuphyphenmark [sign = -] but no effect, I still get a « – ». This syntax : « composed|-|word » works.

\definetextmodediscretionary {} {\hyphenliketextmodediscretionary\defaultdiscretionaryhyphen\defaultdiscretionaryhyphen\empty\defaultdiscretionaryhyphen}

\setuphyphenmark[sign=-]

It works. Is this the new usual syntax (please, no ! ;)) or just a workaround ?

Just a workaroung, it's up to Hans to fix this in some way.

A short solution for the moment is:

\def\compoundhyphen{-}

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Is there something to setup that hyphenate should alway cut composed words after the « - » ? For the moment, I must enter all composed word with « || » ? Like « où va||t||il ? » instead of « où va-t-il ? »

For MkII, I don't think so, MkIV should be possible but Hans or Taco can give you a better answer. You shouldn't forget in some cases like 'X-Rays' a break after the hyphen is not allowed.

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We should never cut like this : «foo bar com- posed-word » but « foo bar composed- word. »

Regards, Wolfgang ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!

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