At 03:14 27/11/2003, you wrote:

what is the difference between the "distributed" and the "beta" versions of context? How current is my version? Does it have all of the cool stuff for doing "column sets"?

in most cases recent versions of distributions have the latest context, however, you can download the version from our site, put it in your texmf local tree, run mktexlsr and texexec --make --alone and it should work; i'm working on a tree on our server so that one can rsync columnsets are available in older versions, but not always with all tricks

type this in the terminal

context -version

prints this on the screen:

pdfeTeX (Web2C 7.5.2) 3.141592-1.11a-2.1 kpathsea version 3.5.2 Copyright (C) 1997-2003 The NTS Team (eTeX)/Han The Thanh (pdfTeX). Kpathsea is copyright (C) 1997-2003 Free Software Foundation, Inc. There is NO warranty. Redistribution of this software is covered by the terms of both the pdfeTeX copyright and the GNU General Public License. For more information about these matters, see the files named COPYING and the pdfeTeX source. Primary author of pdfeTeX: The NTS Team (eTeX)/Han The Thanh (pdfTeX). Kpathsea written by Karl Berry and others.

there is a new pdfetex on the tex live dvd/cd, but for the moment 1.11a is pl Hans

Hello ConTeXt Users, I have been using LaTeX for 15 months or so. From one source document I am able to produce: 1. PDF 2. HTML 3. Word (via HTML conversion) ConTeXt is very attractive because of its detailed control, layers, colors, few or no packages(!!!!!), magical developers, and on and on. It can obvious produce PDF. Can it also produce HTML and Word from the same document? Thanks, Bob Kerstetter http://homepage.mac.com/bkerstetter/

On Dec 8, 2003, at 12:55 PM, Peter Münster wrote:

On Mon, 8 Dec 2003, Bob Kerstetter wrote:

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It can obvious produce PDF. Can it also produce HTML and Word from the same document?

Hello, I like TeX4ht for LaTeX. It would be great, if TeX4ht and ConTeXt work together. It seems, that it works well with plain-TeX, so why not with ConTeXt?

TeX4ht is excellent. It's what I use for LaTeX to HTML and Word (via HTML convertion). It would require writing a custom configuration file to make it work with ConTeXt. I could be done, I just don't know how to do it. I have tried repeated to understand TeX4ht's conversion, but have never succeeded.

On Dec 8, 2003, at 2:33 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

Am Montag, 08.12.03, um 18:20 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Bob Kerstetter:

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ConTeXt is very attractive because of its detailed control, layers, colors, few or no packages(!!!!!), magical developers, and on and on. It can obvious produce PDF. Can it also produce HTML and Word from the same document?

The normal way to get both PDF and HTML is using a XML source. You know of ConTeXts native XML mode? AFAIK you can import XML or HTML into MS Office, too, so you need no real Word DOC output. Or perhaps there's an other XML to RTF/DOC Konverter...

I know XML source should work, but at least for me, creating XML source is unproductive. I work with a text editor and find writing this: ``Hello world,'' says HAL. much more productive than writing this: <p>“Hello world”</p>, says HAL. Maybe I'm missing something, but for writing, XML's markup requirements -- which are invisible to field-based data entry screen -- are way too intense for hand-editing. TeX source is much less verbose. It is easier to create, proof (both visually and audibly), spell check troubleshoot, etc. I have not seen an editor capable of doing XML source in a productive manner, like (La)TeX with text editor. OmniOutliner for OS X is close to being close, but too far from the goal to use. Is there some "special thing" I don't know? ??? Thanks. Bob Kerstetter http://homepage.mac.com/bkerstetter/

At 23:06 08/12/2003, Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:

Monday, December 8, 2003 Bob Kerstetter wrote:

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I know XML source should work, but at least for me, creating XML source is unproductive. I work with a text editor and find writing this:

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``Hello world,'' says HAL.

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much more productive than writing this:

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<p>“Hello world”</p>, says HAL.

both are wrong in the perspective of xml (structured document coding): <quotation>Hello World</quotation>, says HAL is the way to go Hans

On Dec 9, 2003, at 6:52 AM, Maurice Diamantini wrote:

A context2html solution is a big miss for ConTeXt tex4ht could be that solution. (if only a tex4ht power user would switch from LaTeX to ConTeXt :-)

I have contacted a friend who is a tex4ht power user and asked if he could help with making tex4ht work with ConTeXt. He said his "uneducated guess" is that tex4ht can be made to work with ConTeXt, but he would need help installing ConTeXt on his Sun Solaris account. He does not have root access. The help would consistent of: "Where to put things, setting up configuration files if such are needed, and similar issues that a user like me with no root access might encounter to get the system to run. In short, someone who can lead me in small steps through the installation process." Do such instructions already exist? Or, if someone can provide that type of help, please contact me offlist and I'll put y'all together.

Le 10 déc. 03, à 11:39, Patrick Gundlach a écrit :

Bob Kerstetter writes:

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... that a user like me with no root access might encounter to get the system to run. In short, someone who can lead me in small steps through the installation process."

Do such instructions already exist? Or, if someone can provide that type of help, please contact me offlist and I'll put y'all together.

I have put some instructions at http://levana.de/context/ I could help with installation steps.

I think Hans provided a limited version for a context standalone distribution. But I had problem for install it (whith perl) so I give up. Also the standard tetex distribution provided with fink (on MacOSX-10.3) did'n work for me (some itemize bug), and I had to install the texlive distribution. The texlive is very nice because it is complete. But it is very heavy (only the demo version old on a single CD-ROM : the full texlive take 1.2 Go and need a DVD !) Why is texlive so big ? Because it contains all old stuff that any LaTeX/TeX distribution should contain to be compatible with every TeX based document from the last few decade ;-) - every package which was ever able to do multicols - every package which allows to do clever table - every package which allows to do verbatim, ... But ConTeXt is an independant, modern TeX based distribution (even if it don't (yet) know about simple html :-). So was do we need to be able to switch from LaTeX to ConTeXt? - a simple standard tetex distib for our old LaTeX document - a standalone ConTeXt distribution similar to the texlive in the idea This ConTeXt-live should be multiplatform and contain: - all uptodate reference doc about ConTeXt tools - all available exemples or model documents - all contrib extention (m-bib, math, ...) - the TeX/Metapost and perl distribution. - all tools (xml, html, ....) This could be distibute as iso image and could be use as simple (no privilege) user. This would also make much easier to give acces to context to beginer (without the need of texmf experience). Also, what is missing for ConTeXt versus LaTeX 1 - some good LaTeX class emulation (a simple "table of content" is uggli in ConTeXt) 2 - some exemples for writing mathemaics using the new Giuseppe math packages 3 - some mean to write xml or html FROM ConTeXt (and NOT the reverse!) 3 - some package or binding to Lilypond (for writing music/midi and xml) 4 - ... -- Maurice Diamantini (a recent latex2context switcher) P.S sorry for my bad english

____________________________________________________ On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:55:34 +0100 Maurice Diamantini wrote: ____________________________________________________ : 3 - some package or binding to Lilypond (for writing music/midi and : xml) That would be very-very nice. By the way, are there any plans to implement this feature (Lilypond binding) or, may be, some other ways to typeset music in ConTeXt? Best, Pavel.

Hans Hagen wrote:

At 16:10 10/12/2003, you wrote:

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____________________________________________________ On Wed, 10 Dec 2003 13:55:34 +0100 Maurice Diamantini wrote: ____________________________________________________

: 3 - some package or binding to Lilypond (for writing music/midi and : xml)

That would be very-very nice. By the way, are there any plans to implement this feature (Lilypond binding) or, may be, some other ways to typeset music in ConTeXt?

if i'd time i'd write a metapost based engine ....

with regards to lilypond, it depends on how latex dependent things are

Lilypond makes use of LaTeX only. Secondly be aware, that the software runs under Linux and under Cygwin. I would love to see a METAPOST based engine, but I understand, that this is a project for the time Hans has nothing to add anymore to ConTeXt. ;-) Willi

Le 10 déc. 03, à 23:05, Henning Hraban Ramm a écrit :

Am Mittwoch, 10.12.03, um 19:55 Uhr (Europe/Zurich) schrieb Willi Egger:

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: 3 - some package or binding to Lilypond (for writing music/midi and : xml) That would be very-very nice. By the way, are there any plans to implement this feature (Lilypond binding) or, may be, some other ways to typeset music in ConTeXt?

if i'd time i'd write a metapost based engine .... with regards to lilypond, it depends on how latex dependent things are

Lilypond makes use of LaTeX only. Secondly be aware, that the software runs under Linux and under Cygwin.

Hm, perhaps it would be possible to use some MusicTeX version? AFAIK that's based on PlainTeX and could be compatible

I think there VERY much more work about lilypond that about Musi*TeX. Also Lilipond has a modern approch and has a very good (*TeX) documentation. From http://lilypond.org/web/about/faq.html Will run on my computer? LilyPond is written for Unix, so it should run on any modern Unix variant, including Linux/GNU and MacOS X. There is also a MS Windows port, which uses the Cygwin environment. About other format: We have the following requirements: • the format must use ASCII, • it must be concise enough to type by hand, • it must have a concise formal specification, • it must be expressive enough to support many types of notation and printed formats. We believe that none of the existing formats address all these requirements. For example, MusicXML cannot be typed by hand, DARMS is limited in its application, ABC has no strict formal definition, and NIFF is binary. Nevertheless, this does not restrict you for using those formats: there are filters that convert from various formats to .ly Also there is some converter from lilypond to xml So instead of Hans restarting a new Music Notation project, Hans should make lilypond team using Context instead of LaTeX ;-) Also I noted that : - Lilypond is NOT a TeX macro, it only seems to be a dedicated (powerfull) subset of TeX (but allow input of TeX macro) - Lilypond make use of TeX for page breaking and other stuff So How to use Lilypond with ConTeXt? 1 - use Lilypond as an independant tool for building short (less or equal to one page) as pdf figure and include them in context as external figure (that is the way I'll do, because I'm not clever enought to do much more :-) 2 - make Lilypond team understand how ConTeXt is much more interesting as automatic formatic tool for creating pdf than LaTeX is! 3 - Allow using lilypond inside ConTeXt with \startmusic \stopmusic I think this method would be much like typesetting chimical Hans has not to be developping a nex package, just using one that already exist Also I think Lilipond could interest much more people that the only short xTeX poeple user. But Lilipond in not as easy to install (to many LaTeX dependancy). So the Lilypond tead could be interested by the new future alternative ConTeXt-live CDROM distribution ;-) ConTeXt-live (alias LaTeX-3: the only "nothing to install" TeX based type system that allow to do : - Mathematical, - graphical (Metapost), - Chimical, - Musical hight quality pdf documentation or web based presentation!!! P.S. I don't (yet) use Lilypond, but I looked after some text based Music notation for my wife. I thought first to MusixTex (too eavy, too old) then the abc format (which could be import as ps/pdf figure), then I found that lilypond was closely related to TeX. So it's probably the choice I'll do. -- Maurice Diamantini

At 23:05 10/12/2003, you wrote:

Even if I know that Hans is a capable wizard, I don't think that some Metapost music typesetting could provide more than some single note lines. If we talk about music typesetting (or try to port or adapt something for ConTeXt) we must think in orchestra concert book dimensions; I guess musical typography more difficult than "usual".

one reason to consider metapost is that it is better suited for calculations besides being fun; the main problem is in the input language since all examples i've seen so far are kind of awful; but don't worry .. i currently don't have time for it -) Are there gui based apps that generate musicxml, whatever that is (maybe just another dtd being application data turned into <>'s)? Hans

Is this another way of saying that there's a new version (+ beta) on the site? :) Hans Hagen said this at Wed, 10 Dec 2003 17:32:29 +0100:

At 13:55 10/12/2003, you wrote:

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This would also make much easier to give acces to context to beginer (without the need of texmf experience).

There is indeed such an iso image (100 MB including all doc).

But .. as an experiment you try the following:

(1) download one of:

http://www.pragma-ade.com/context/texsync.rb http://www.pragma-ade.com/context/texsync.exe

(2) run:

texsync --update --tree=doc --destination=<yourpath> --force

with <yourpath> being for instance (on windows) d:/tex/documentation

(3) and/or:

texsync --update --make --tree=doc --destination=<yourpath> --force

with <yourpath> being for instance (on windows) d:/tex/

Given that you have perl installed, the file 'setuptex.bat' (there is also a linux one) in the texroot should provide you the minimal system you want.

The destination is optional, and when omitted, it will use kpsewhich to determine the root; a first time there is probably no such root.

Hans

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On Tue, 9 Dec 2003, Bob Kerstetter wrote:

I have contacted a friend who is a tex4ht power user and asked if he could help with making tex4ht work with ConTeXt. He said his "uneducated guess" is that tex4ht can be made to work with ConTeXt, but

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