Re: [NTG-context] SILE typesetter and other projects
Hi Denis. SILE seems interesting, aslo Patoline. However, I think both of these are very immature, and I feel somewhat puzzled by the authors of SILE when they say that you can't do grid typesetting on TeX without horrible hacks, blatantly ignoring ConTeXt's achievements on the matter. If you want to check an alternative typesetting system, I would tell you to not look forward but backwards: groff/troff are alive and well, are very mature, and you can find a lot of documentation and tutorials, even a subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/groff/. I would recommend trying the MOM macros for groff: http://www.schaffter.ca/mom/mom-01.html -- Andrés Conrado Montoya Andi Kú andresconrado@gmail.com http://sesentaycuatro.com http://messier87.com http://chiquitico.org ---------------------------------------- Los fines no justifican los medios, porque la medida verdadera de nuestro carácter está dada por los medios que estamos dispuestos a utilizar, no por los fines que proclamamos. ---------------------------------------- “You develop an instant global consciousness, a people orientation, an intense dissatisfaction with the state of the world, and a compulsion to do something about it. From out there on the moon, international politics look so petty. You want to grab a politician by the scruff of the neck and drag him a quarter of a million miles out and say, ‘Look at that, you son of a bitch.’” — Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell
Probably the false equivalence TeX = LaTeX which is common to see in many forums and sites on the web: TeX is said not to be able to do X just because LaTeX can't. It's upsetting. groff looks interesting, tho. Jairo El dom., 3 de ene. de 2021 12:20 p. m., Andres Conrado Montoya < andresconrado@gmail.com> escribió:
Hi Denis.
SILE seems interesting, aslo Patoline. However, I think both of these are very immature, and I feel somewhat puzzled by the authors of SILE when they say that you can't do grid typesetting on TeX without horrible hacks, blatantly ignoring ConTeXt's achievements on the matter.
If you want to check an alternative typesetting system, I would tell you to not look forward but backwards: groff/troff are alive and well, are very mature, and you can find a lot of documentation and tutorials, even a subreddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/groff/. I would recommend trying the MOM macros for groff: http://www.schaffter.ca/mom/mom-01.html
-- Andrés Conrado Montoya Andi Kú andresconrado@gmail.com http://sesentaycuatro.com http://messier87.com http://chiquitico.org ---------------------------------------- Los fines no justifican los medios, porque la medida verdadera de nuestro carácter está dada por los medios que estamos dispuestos a utilizar, no por los fines que proclamamos. ----------------------------------------
“You develop an instant global consciousness, a people orientation, an intense dissatisfaction with the state of the world, and a compulsion to do something about it. From out there on the moon, international politics look so petty. You want to grab a politician by the scruff of the neck and drag him a quarter of a million miles out and say, ‘Look at that, you son of a bitch.’” — Apollo 14 astronaut Edgar Mitchell
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On 1/3/2021 6:26 PM, Jairo A. del Rio wrote:
Probably the false equivalence TeX = LaTeX which is common to see in many forums and sites on the web: TeX is said not to be able to do X just because LaTeX can't. It's upsetting. groff looks interesting, tho. FWIW: I never looked into all these system (althouygh i remember reading about some postscript related thing decades ago). Just keep in mind that 'the problem doesn't change' no matter what tools are there .. it's no big deal to deal with the 80% but the left over bits often are the complication. All this typeseting is very much about perception and often playing around and then the question is: what system suits that best.
So there's the issue of interfacing ... I always found the curious tex mix interesting (read: if I had to do typesetting and defining styles in lua or c of java or html.css ... any such programming language ... i'd looked for another hobby long ago). Of course is some project comes around that need those approaches and that can pay the bills, I'd pay attention to it but till then ... so my main objective is to modernize this 'good old workhorse tex' because it kind of had/has set the standard. And it's kind of fun. (It's also why discussions about context versus latex or plain are wasted on me: I simply never run into the other systems and/or demands related to them, so instead of keeping track I spent non-tex time on reading and listening music instead -) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
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Im Auftrag von Hans Hagen Gesendet: Sonntag, 3. Januar 2021 19:19 An: mailing list for ConTeXt users ; Jairo A. del Rio Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] SILE typesetter and other projects
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so my main objective is to modernize this 'good old workhorse tex' because it kind of had/has set the standard. And it's kind of fun.
(It's also why discussions about context versus latex or plain are wasted on me: I simply never run into the other systems and/or demands related to them, so instead of keeping track I spent non-tex time on reading and listening music instead -)
I guess that's a reasonable approach. Denis
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Andres Conrado Montoya
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denis.maier@ub.unibe.ch
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Hans Hagen
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Jairo A. del Rio