Footonotes and footnote references not appearing on the same page
Hello, I have a problem with footnotes: the references and the footnotes do not fall on the same page as soon as there is numerous footnotes on a page (something that happens frequently in my work). You'll find a source example and a PDF on: http://typo.free.fr/context/ Maybe is there something I'm doing that I should not. Environment:
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Thanks, Gilles.
Gilles Pérez-Lambert said this at Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:47:10 +0100:
It looks to me like any footnote flow that I've seen. (Con)TeXt does the best it can. If there were room for footnote(9) to be on page 2, then there wouldn't be enough room for the line of text ("Orphée... les") that refers to it. The convention that I have seen is to put the footnotes on the following page. That's the best you can do when you have that catch-22-style conflict. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Adam T. Lindsay atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk Computing Dept, Lancaster University +44(0)1524/594.537 Lancaster, LA1 4YR, UK Fax:+44(0)1524/593.608 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:54:57 +0000, Adam Lindsay wrote:
The convention that I have seen is to put the footnotes on the following page. That's the best you can do when you have that catch-22-style conflict.
Well, Plain TeX tries very hard not to let this happen. Same thing for LaTeX which would have take the whole line on the next page. I saw, in French at least, very few books with references on one page and footnotes on next page. (What is `catch-22'?) Gilles.
Gilles Pérez-Lambert said this at Tue, 21 Jan 2003 17:58:50 +0100:
On Tue, 21 Jan 2003 16:54:57 +0000, Adam Lindsay wrote:
The convention that I have seen is to put the footnotes on the following page. That's the best you can do when you have that catch-22-style conflict.
Well, Plain TeX tries very hard not to let this happen. Same thing for LaTeX which would have take the whole line on the next page. I saw, in French at least, very few books with references on one page and footnotes on next page.
Okay. It would not surprise me if I've developed a high tolerance for poorly typeset English texts. I'm afraid I can't help further here.
(What is `catch-22'?)
Désolé. I wasn't sure how commonly known that idiom was. It's a title of a book by Joseph Heller, and it refers to a situation where progress depends on a circular dependency. That is, In order to go from A to B, I need C first, which depends on already having B. Adam -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Adam T. Lindsay atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk Computing Dept, Lancaster University +44(0)1524/594.537 Lancaster, LA1 4YR, UK Fax:+44(0)1524/593.608 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
The convention that I have seen is to put the footnotes on the following page. That's the best you can do when you have that catch-22-style conflict.
Well, Plain TeX tries very hard not to let this happen. Same thing for LaTeX which would have take the whole line on the next page. I saw, in French at least, very few books with references on one page and footnotes on next page.
If you take the whole line onto the next page then footnote 8 would have to go with it, meaning that you lose the depths of two lines from that page, which I suspect is beyond the tolerance of the page set-up. I haven't used it, but \setuptolerance[vertical,verytolerant] might give your pages more room for maneouvre in this regard. It might be ugly though. Alternatively you could delve into TeX and give \topskip some glue, but I wouldn't recommend it in case it breaks something ConTeXtual. Then again, there may be an equivalent of Plain's \raggedbottom in ConTeXt, which would then also be a solution... Duncan dh@capdm.com
Hello,
I haven't used it, but \setuptolerance[vertical,verytolerant] might give your pages more room for maneouvre in this regard. It might be ugly though.
It doesn't work. Thanks for the idea.
Then again, there may be an equivalent of Plain's \raggedbottom in ConTeXt, which would then also be a solution...
I didn't find it. Thanks for your time, Gilles.
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 Gilles Pérez-Lambert wrote: GPL> Hello, GPL> I have a problem with footnotes: the references and the footnotes do GPL> not fall on the same page as soon as there is numerous footnotes on a GPL> page (something that happens frequently in my work). You'll find a GPL> source example and a PDF on: GPL> http://typo.free.fr/context/ GPL> Maybe is there something I'm doing that I should not. Maybe you might try \setupfootnotes[split=tolerant] -- Giuseppe "Oblomov" Bilotta
Hello, On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 11:57:02 +0100, Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:
Tuesday, January 21, 2003 Gilles Pérez-Lambert wrote: GPL> I have a problem with footnotes: the references and the footnotes do GPL> not fall on the same page as soon as there is numerous footnotes on a
Maybe you might try \setupfootnotes[split=tolerant]
Thanks but it didn't work. I think one needs a new parameter in ConTeXt to choose between ``beautiful pages with footnotes on next page if needs be'' and ``awful pages with footnotes (nearly) always on same pages as references.'' :-) Gilles.
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