On 6/30/2021 1:28 PM, Ágoston Volcz wrote:

Thank you! I've moved the files into $TEXMFHOME/tex/context/personal/... and updated the database. This solved the first part of the problem perfectly Hopefully there is also a solution to the second issue. or just tex/texmf-project/....

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On 6/30/2021 7:00 PM, Jan U. Hasecke wrote:

Sorry for hijacking this thread.

Am 30.06.21 um 18:06 schrieb Hans Hagen:

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or just tex/texmf-project/....

What is the difference between

tex/texmf-local tex/texmf-project

if $TEXMFHOME/tex/context/personal/ gets scanned every run?

Any recommandations what to store where?

texmf-local : maybe configurations texmf-project : stuff you're working on (styles) texmf-fonts : fonts you downloaded or bought ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

example.tex ``` \startbuffer[example] @book{book, author = {First Last}, title = {Title}, subtitle = {Subtitle}, publisher = {Publisher}, address = {City}, year = {2021} } \stopbuffer \usebtxdataset[example.buffer] \usebtxdefinitions[deu] \starttext \cite[entry][book] \cite[authortitle][book] \placelistofpublications \stoptext ``` publ-imp-deu.mkvi ``` \startbtxrenderingdefinitions[deu] \definebtx [deu] [default=default, specification=deu] \definebtxrendering [deu] [specification=deu, sorttype={author,title}, numbering=num] \definebtx [deu:list] [deu] \definebtx [deu:list:author] [deu:list] [authorconversion=normal] \definebtx [deu:list:book] [deu] \definebtx [deu:cite] [deu] \definebtx [deu:cite:authortitle] [deu] [authorconversion=normalshort] \startsetups btx:deu:list:book \btxflush{author}\btxcolon\btxflush{title}\btxperiod \btxdoif{subtitle}{\btxflush{subtitle}\btxperiod} \btxflush{address}\btxcolon\btxflush{publisher} \btxflush{year}\btxperiod \stopsetups \startsetups btx:deu:cite:authortitle \btxflush{author}\btxcolon\btxflush{title}\btxperiod \btxdoif{subtitle}{\btxflush{subtitle}\btxperiod} \stopsetups \stopbtxrenderingdefinitions ``` This is the shortest example I could get, some lines got very long but I did not want it be too many lines. If I compile this, I get: (First Last: Title. Subtitle. City: Publisher 2021.) First Last: Title. Subtitle. 1 First Last: Title. Subtitle. City: Publisher 2021. Agoston Am Mi., 30. Juni 2021 um 19:26 Uhr schrieb Alan Braslau :

On 30/06/21 02:20, Ágoston Volcz wrote:

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2. Entries in the bibliography and fist time citations must have 'normal' authorconversion, while consequent citations must have 'normalshort'. For consequent citations I defined the 'authortitle' alternative. In the thesis I have: ``` \usebtxdataset[default][literature.bib] \usebtxdefinitions[deu] \setupbtx[deu] ``` A snippet from the publ-imp-deu.mkvi: ``` \definebtx [deu:list] [deu] [authorconversion=normal]

\definebtx [deu:cite] [deu] [authorconversion=normalshort, alternative=authortitle]

\startsetups btx:deu:list:book {\sc \btxflush{author}}\btxcolon \btxflush{title} \btxdoif{subtitle}{\btxperiod\btxflush{subtitle}}\btxperiod \btxflush{address}\btxcolon \btxflush{publisher} \btxflush{year} \btxdoif{series}{ (\btxflush{series} \btxflush{volume})}\btxperiod \stopsetups

``` In the setup and definition, the fields I defined do get into the citation correctly, but the authorconversion remains 'normal'. If I comment out the lines which set up 'normal' authorconversion for the list, everything, including the bibliography and 'entry' type citations get 'normalshort'. Is that a bug or am I missing something?

I am not sure that I understand your snippet (a mwe would be useful). However, it appears that your setup is for the "list" rendering of a book, and you do specify authorconversion=normal for lists.

Keep in mind that the bibliography system uses inheritance so it is important to set options in the right places. Once everything gets initialized, changing a higher-level parameter might not propagate to lower-level instances if they have already been defined, the inheritance taking place at definition time.

-- Alan

On 30/06/21 12:59, denis.maier@unibe.ch wrote:

Hi,

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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: ntg-context Im Auftrag von Ágoston Volcz Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. Juni 2021 10:20 An:ntg-context@ntg.nl Betreff: [NTG-context] Different authorconversion for citation alternatives and bibliographic entries

Hi there,

My university has special requirements for the theses I submit. Layout, fonts etc. are pretty straightforward to set up in ConTeXt. The one part I'm struggling with is citations / bibliography. I have to use the german citation style with footnotes. Essentially the first time I cite something, I have to put the full entry in a footnote. From the second time on, I only have to put a shorter entry in the footnotes. Is this first citation vs other citations thing currently possible with ConTeXt? I was thinking that there was no proper support for note style citations in ConTeXt? Has that changed? I remember reading the phrase "We may add additional citation styles if there demand and clear requirements exist." So what's the current state of affairs here?

Denis

Indeed (one can always use \footnote{} but that might not be a good substitute for a proper footnote citation style. I do not use footnote citations as a general style (and personally dislike it, finding them somewhat distracting and sloppy). Yet these are popular in many fields and there is no reason not to support it. -- Alan

On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 19:40:06 +0000 wrote:

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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Alan Braslau Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. Juni 2021 21:11 An: mailing list for ConTeXt users ; Maier, Denis Christian (UB) Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Different authorconversion for citation alternatives and bibliographic entries

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Hi,

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-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: ntg-context Im Auftrag von Ágoston Volcz Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. Juni 2021 10:20 An:ntg-context@ntg.nl Betreff: [NTG-context] Different authorconversion for citation alternatives and bibliographic entries

Hi there,

My university has special requirements for the theses I submit. Layout, fonts etc. are pretty straightforward to set up in ConTeXt. The one part I'm struggling with is citations / bibliography. I have to use the german citation style with footnotes. Essentially the first time I cite something, I have to put the full entry in a footnote. From the second time on, I only have to put a shorter entry in the footnotes. Is this first citation vs other citations thing currently possible with ConTeXt? I was thinking that there was no proper support for note style citations in ConTeXt? Has that changed? I remember reading the

On 30/06/21 12:59, denis.maier@unibe.ch wrote: phrase "We may add additional citation styles if there demand and clear requirements exist." So what's the current state of affairs here?

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Denis

Indeed (one can always use \footnote{} but that might not be a good substitute for a proper footnote citation style.

I do not use footnote citations as a general style (and personally dislike it, finding them somewhat distracting and sloppy). Yet these are popular in many fields and there is no reason not to support it.

So what would be needed to make add real support for it?

First of all, come to a consensus on a clear style guide to base this on, so as not to run after ambiguous and perhaps contradictory specifications. This would be distinct from the APA (author-year) model as well as from the minimalist APS (numbered) style. Could this perhaps be the Chicago style? (does that have a footnote specification?) Secondly, identify users who would be willing to spend time testing and giving feedback. Thirdly, motivate Hans and myself to spend time on this (implementing or helping implement), for neither of us use the footnote style. So it can be done, and such a model is presently missing. Alan

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Alan Braslau Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. Juni 2021 23:50 An: Maier, Denis Christian (UB) Cc: ntg-context@ntg.nl Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Different authorconversion for citation alternatives and bibliographic entries

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So what would be needed to make add real support for it?

First of all, come to a consensus on a clear style guide to base this on, so as not to run after ambiguous and perhaps contradictory specifications. This would be distinct from the APA (author-year) model as well as from the minimalist APS (numbered) style. Could this perhaps be the Chicago style? (does that have a footnote specification?)

Chicago is certainly not a bad choice for this. It's probably one of the most complete footnote specifications out there. (I knows multiple variants though, so you need to settle for one or support both.) One thing to be aware of is that Chicago is utterly complex. Other styles like MHRA are a bit simpler. This complexity might be an advantage and a disadvantage at the same time. It may be hard to get this completely right. The already mentioned biblatex-chicago package shows how much is involved. OTOH, if you get this right that should cover almost everything that might come up in note based styles. Denis