inter-word spacing (initials)
My original query has generated some interesting sidelines but no solution, at least none that I can see. So, with all due apologies, I shall presume on your patience by restating my query. In (English) typography the spacing after a period within a sentence is less that that after a period at the end of a sentence. Since the days of Plain TeX, one achieved the proper spacing after an intra- sentence period by entering “.\<space>”. My problem is that this no longer seems to work with recent versions of ConTeXt/MKII: “.\<space>” does not seem to have any effect at all. So, how are we now to get the proper spacing after an intra-sentence period? Are there some language/spacing commands that need to be invoked in the prelims now? Sample text: \starttext A. E. Samuels and other scholars. The community of time{-}keepers. A.\ E.\ Samuels and other scholars. The community of time{-}keepers. \stoptext Alan
Alan Bowen schrieb:
My original query has generated some interesting sidelines but no solution, at least none that I can see. So, with all due apologies, I shall presume on your patience by restating my query.
In (English) typography the spacing after a period within a sentence is less that that after a period at the end of a sentence. Since the days of Plain TeX, one achieved the proper spacing after an intra- sentence period by entering “.\<space>”. My problem is that this no longer seems to work with recent versions of ConTeXt/MKII: “.\<space>” does not seem to have any effect at all.
are you sure of that? a citation from "The TeXbook", chapter 12: Glue "Another way to get TeX to put out a normal space is to type '\ ' (control space); e.g., 'Mr.\ Drofnats' would be almost the same as 'Mr.~Drofnats', exept that a line might end after the 'Mr.'. " also: you don't need a control space here from the exercise 12.5: "TeX doesn't consider a period or question mark or exclamation point to be the end of a sentence if the preceding character is an uppercase letter, since TeX assumes that such uppercase letters are most likely somebody's initials'. " what you want is just a smaller skip. so how about a *local* use of something like \def\ {\thinspace}% donno if this is possible (side effects) in your environment. maybe one of the gurus can give an answer. anyhow, interesting stuff :) best wishes, peter
So, how are we now to get the proper spacing after an intra-sentence period? Are there some language/spacing commands that need to be invoked in the prelims now?
Sample text: \starttext
A. E. Samuels and other scholars. The community of time{-}keepers.
A.\ E.\ Samuels and other scholars. The community of time{-}keepers.
\stoptext
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Thanks, Peter. You are right about (Plain) TeX--I just got into the habit of inserting them. Defining my own macro to reproduce the control space is a possibility, and I will do that IF the current behavior of “.\ ’ and the tilde in MKII is not remedied. (I have not switched to MKIV yet, but wonder what happens there.) The downside is that there is a good number of documents that will require have to be encoded accordingly. Cheers, Alan On Jul 18, 2008, at 14;40,39 , Peter Rolf wrote:
Alan Bowen schrieb:
My original query has generated some interesting sidelines but no solution, at least none that I can see. So, with all due apologies, I shall presume on your patience by restating my query.
In (English) typography the spacing after a period within a sentence is less that that after a period at the end of a sentence. Since the days of Plain TeX, one achieved the proper spacing after an intra- sentence period by entering “.\<space>”. My problem is that this no longer seems to work with recent versions of ConTeXt/MKII: “. \<space>” does not seem to have any effect at all.
are you sure of that?
a citation from "The TeXbook", chapter 12: Glue
"Another way to get TeX to put out a normal space is to type '\ ' (control space); e.g., 'Mr.\ Drofnats' would be almost the same as 'Mr.~Drofnats', exept that a line might end after the 'Mr.'. "
also: you don't need a control space here
from the exercise 12.5:
"TeX doesn't consider a period or question mark or exclamation point to be the end of a sentence if the preceding character is an uppercase letter, since TeX assumes that such uppercase letters are most likely somebody's initials'. "
what you want is just a smaller skip. so how about a *local* use of something like
\def\ {\thinspace}%
donno if this is possible (side effects) in your environment. maybe one of the gurus can give an answer. anyhow, interesting stuff :)
best wishes, peter
So, how are we now to get the proper spacing after an intra-sentence period? Are there some language/spacing commands that need to be invoked in the prelims now?
Sample text: \starttext
A. E. Samuels and other scholars. The community of time{-}keepers.
A.\ E.\ Samuels and other scholars. The community of time{-}keepers.
\stoptext
Alan ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki!
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On Fri, Jul 18 2008, Alan Bowen wrote:
In (English) typography the spacing after a period within a sentence is less that that after a period at the end of a sentence. Since the days of Plain TeX, one achieved the proper spacing after an intra- sentence period by entering “.\<space>”. My problem is that this no longer seems to work with recent versions of ConTeXt/MKII: “.\<space>” does not seem to have any effect at all.
There are 2 kinds of spaces: - inter-word space, that means a normal (strechable) space betweem words, examples: * word word * word, word * WORD. word * word.\ word * \mainlanguage[fr] word. word - bigger space after period in english text: * \mainlanguage[en] word. word And if you consider the following test-file: \starttext x. x, x x\crlf x, x. x x\crlf x,\ x.\ x\ x\crlf x.\ x,\ x\ x\crlf X. X, X X\crlf X, X. X X\crlf X,\ X.\ X\ X\crlf X.\ X,\ X\ X \stoptext you see 2 bugs: - in MKIV there is no bigger space after "x." - in MKII the space after "x.\ " is a big one Tested with context source date: 2008.07.18 18:38. Cheers, Peter -- http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/
Thanks, Peter. I was wondering about MKIV. (Switching is on my summer “to do” list.) Best, Alan On Jul 18, 2008, at 15;22,31 , Peter Münster wrote:
On Fri, Jul 18 2008, Alan Bowen wrote:
In (English) typography the spacing after a period within a sentence is less that that after a period at the end of a sentence. Since the days of Plain TeX, one achieved the proper spacing after an intra- sentence period by entering “.\<space>”. My problem is that this no longer seems to work with recent versions of ConTeXt/MKII: “. \<space>” does not seem to have any effect at all.
There are 2 kinds of spaces:
- inter-word space, that means a normal (strechable) space betweem words, examples: * word word * word, word * WORD. word * word.\ word * \mainlanguage[fr] word. word
- bigger space after period in english text: * \mainlanguage[en] word. word
And if you consider the following test-file:
\starttext x. x, x x\crlf x, x. x x\crlf x,\ x.\ x\ x\crlf x.\ x,\ x\ x\crlf X. X, X X\crlf X, X. X X\crlf X,\ X.\ X\ X\crlf X.\ X,\ X\ X \stoptext
you see 2 bugs:
- in MKIV there is no bigger space after "x." - in MKII the space after "x.\ " is a big one
Tested with context source date: 2008.07.18 18:38.
Cheers, Peter
-- http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/
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