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The latest beta (ConTeXt ver: 2018.06.23 12:12 MKIV beta fmt: 2018.6.23) processes without a hitch but \seeindex is still not working as expected. In \starttext \index{sample} \index{fun+games}\index{fun+stuff} %\index{fun} \seeindex{fun}{sample} % now with heading (as it should be) \seeindex{fun}{blah} % not shown \seeindex{fun}{humbug} % not shown \seeindex{fun}{bug} % not shown \seeindex{fun+games}{entertainment} % not shown \placeindex[n=1] \stoptext When I generate the indices for my book, \seeindex{A}{B} works only if it is a unique x-ref and A is a heading. Multiple x-refs to the same heading fail as do x-refs to subheadings. Alan
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On 6/23/2018 5:10 PM, Alan Bowen wrote:
The latest beta (ConTeXtver: 2018.06.23 12:12 MKIV betafmt: 2018.6.23) processes without a hitch but \seeindex is still not working as expected.
In
\starttext \index{sample} \index{fun+games}\index{fun+stuff} %\index{fun}
\seeindex{fun}{sample}% now with heading (as it should be) \seeindex{fun}{blah}% not shown \seeindex{fun}{humbug}% not shown \seeindex{fun}{bug}% not shown
\seeindex{fun+games}{entertainment}% not shown
\placeindex[n=1] \stoptext
When I generate the indices for my book, \seeindex{A}{B} works only if it is a unique x-ref and A is a heading. Multiple x-refs to the same heading fail as do x-refs to subheadings. sure,
\seeindex{fun}{blah} % not shown \seeindex{fun}{humbug} % not shown \seeindex{fun}{bug} % not shown as there is no index entry blah, humbug or bug ... so you would be fooling your reader Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
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Am 2018-06-24 um 21:57 schrieb Hans Hagen
On 6/23/2018 5:10 PM, Alan Bowen wrote:
The latest beta (ConTeXtver: 2018.06.23 12:12 MKIV betafmt: 2018.6.23) processes without a hitch but \seeindex is still not working as expected. In \starttext \index{sample} \index{fun+games}\index{fun+stuff} %\index{fun} \seeindex{fun}{sample}% now with heading (as it should be) \seeindex{fun}{blah}% not shown \seeindex{fun}{humbug}% not shown \seeindex{fun}{bug}% not shown \seeindex{fun+games}{entertainment}% not shown \placeindex[n=1] \stoptext When I generate the indices for my book, \seeindex{A}{B} works only if it is a unique x-ref and A is a heading. Multiple x-refs to the same heading fail as do x-refs to subheadings. sure,
\seeindex{fun}{blah} % not shown \seeindex{fun}{humbug} % not shown \seeindex{fun}{bug} % not shown
as there is no index entry blah, humbug or bug ... so you would be fooling your reader
I understand the rationale, and it could be a nice feature, but we need to refer to entries in a different register, e.g. from an index of topics to an index of persons, e.g. \seeindex{Pragma}{Hagen, Hans} or to subentries like \seeindex{fun+games}{bah+humbug}. Since the latter doesn’t work (or does it now?), we use \seeindex{fun+games}{bah/humbug}. Greetlings, Hraban --- https://www.fiee.net http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.dreiviertelhaus.de GPG Key ID 1C9B22FD
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I should add too that in this particular volume our contributors sometimes
mention different terms for the same thing as in “This is called p or q”.
Indexing both terms (p and q) separately and the adding x-ref is one way
to go but indexing the more commonly used term and adding a mere x-ref for
the other is more efficient.
Alan
On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 4:08 PM Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2018-06-24 um 21:57 schrieb Hans Hagen
: The latest beta (ConTeXtver: 2018.06.23 12:12 MKIV betafmt: 2018.6.23)
In \starttext \index{sample} \index{fun+games}\index{fun+stuff} %\index{fun} \seeindex{fun}{sample}% now with heading (as it should be) \seeindex{fun}{blah}% not shown \seeindex{fun}{humbug}% not shown \seeindex{fun}{bug}% not shown \seeindex{fun+games}{entertainment}% not shown \placeindex[n=1] \stoptext When I generate the indices for my book, \seeindex{A}{B} works only if it is a unique x-ref and A is a heading. Multiple x-refs to the same
On 6/23/2018 5:10 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: processes without a hitch but \seeindex is still not working as expected. heading fail as do x-refs to subheadings. sure,
\seeindex{fun}{blah} % not shown \seeindex{fun}{humbug} % not shown \seeindex{fun}{bug} % not shown
as there is no index entry blah, humbug or bug ... so you would be fooling your reader
I understand the rationale, and it could be a nice feature, but we need to refer to entries in a different register, e.g. from an index of topics to an index of persons, e.g. \seeindex{Pragma}{Hagen, Hans} or to subentries like \seeindex{fun+games}{bah+humbug}. Since the latter doesn’t work (or does it now?), we use \seeindex{fun+games}{bah/humbug}.
Greetlings, Hraban --- https://www.fiee.net http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.dreiviertelhaus.de GPG Key ID 1C9B22FD
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"Mathematics is the art of giving the same name to different things. It
is enough that these things, though differing in matter, should be
similar in form, to permit their being, so to speak, cast in the same
mold. When the language has been carefully chosen, one is surprised to
discover that all proofs developed for a given object, can be
immediately applied to many new objects; there is nothing to be
changed, not even the words, since all the names have become the same."
(my translation)
;-)
On Mon, 25 Jun 2018 07:21:43 -0400
Alan Bowen
I should add too that in this particular volume our contributors sometimes mention different terms for the same thing as in “This is called p or q”. Indexing both terms (p and q) separately and the adding x-ref is one way to go but indexing the more commonly used term and adding a mere x-ref for the other is more efficient.
Alan
On Sun, Jun 24, 2018 at 4:08 PM Henning Hraban Ramm
wrote: Am 2018-06-24 um 21:57 schrieb Hans Hagen
: The latest beta (ConTeXtver: 2018.06.23 12:12 MKIV betafmt: 2018.6.23)
In \starttext \index{sample} \index{fun+games}\index{fun+stuff} %\index{fun} \seeindex{fun}{sample}% now with heading (as it should be) \seeindex{fun}{blah}% not shown \seeindex{fun}{humbug}% not shown \seeindex{fun}{bug}% not shown \seeindex{fun+games}{entertainment}% not shown \placeindex[n=1] \stoptext When I generate the indices for my book, \seeindex{A}{B} works only if it is a unique x-ref and A is a heading. Multiple x-refs to the same
On 6/23/2018 5:10 PM, Alan Bowen wrote: processes without a hitch but \seeindex is still not working as expected. heading fail as do x-refs to subheadings. sure,
\seeindex{fun}{blah} % not shown \seeindex{fun}{humbug} % not shown \seeindex{fun}{bug} % not shown
as there is no index entry blah, humbug or bug ... so you would be fooling your reader
I understand the rationale, and it could be a nice feature, but we need to refer to entries in a different register, e.g. from an index of topics to an index of persons, e.g. \seeindex{Pragma}{Hagen, Hans} or to subentries like \seeindex{fun+games}{bah+humbug}. Since the latter doesn’t work (or does it now?), we use \seeindex{fun+games}{bah/humbug}.
Greetlings, Hraban --- https://www.fiee.net http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.dreiviertelhaus.de GPG Key ID 1C9B22FD
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Am 2018-06-24 um 21:57 schrieb Hans Hagen
: On 6/23/2018 5:10 PM, Alan Bowen wrote:
The latest beta (ConTeXtver: 2018.06.23 12:12 MKIV betafmt: 2018.6.23) processes without a hitch but \seeindex is still not working as expected. In \starttext \index{sample} \index{fun+games}\index{fun+stuff} %\index{fun} \seeindex{fun}{sample}% now with heading (as it should be) \seeindex{fun}{blah}% not shown \seeindex{fun}{humbug}% not shown \seeindex{fun}{bug}% not shown \seeindex{fun+games}{entertainment}% not shown \placeindex[n=1] \stoptext When I generate the indices for my book, \seeindex{A}{B} works only if it is a unique x-ref and A is a heading. Multiple x-refs to the same heading fail as do x-refs to subheadings. sure,
\seeindex{fun}{blah} % not shown \seeindex{fun}{humbug} % not shown \seeindex{fun}{bug} % not shown
as there is no index entry blah, humbug or bug ... so you would be fooling your reader
I understand the rationale, and it could be a nice feature, but we need to refer to entries in a different register, e.g. from an index of topics to an index of persons, e.g. \seeindex{Pragma}{Hagen, Hans} or to subentries like \seeindex{fun+games}{bah+humbug}. Since the latter doesn’t work (or does it now?), we use \seeindex{fun+games}{bah/humbug}. hm, sounds like a crappy index to mee (i actually hate these indexes
On 6/24/2018 10:07 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: that force you to 'see' somplace else .. extra lookup) anyway, i'll add check=no to placeregister so that one can bypass the check (but i cannot foresee side effects like missing references in interactiev documents so these have to be taken for granted) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
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Am 2018-06-25 um 14:15 schrieb Hans Hagen
On 6/24/2018 10:07 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
Am 2018-06-24 um 21:57 schrieb Hans Hagen
: as there is no index entry blah, humbug or bug ... so you would be fooling your reader I understand the rationale, and it could be a nice feature, but we need to refer to entries in a different register, e.g. from an index of topics to an index of persons, e.g. \seeindex{Pragma}{Hagen, Hans} or to subentries like \seeindex{fun+games}{bah+humbug}. Since the latter doesn’t work (or does it now?), we use \seeindex{fun+games}{bah/humbug}. hm, sounds like a crappy index to mee (i actually hate these indexes that force you to 'see' somplace else .. extra lookup)
I hear you, but it wouldn’t make sense to double-index a lot of terms (it might increase usability, but also double the length of the index).
anyway, i'll add check=no to placeregister so that one can bypass the check (but i cannot foresee side effects like missing references in interactiev documents so these have to be taken for granted)
Thank you, that fits my/our needs, I guess. Greetlings, Hraban --- https://www.fiee.net http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.dreiviertelhaus.de GPG Key ID 1C9B22FD
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On 6/24/2018 10:07 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
\starttext \index{sample} \index{fun+games}\index{fun+stuff} %\index{fun}
btw, index entries will only work well with an anchor so loose \index without something following it will not show the right page numbers (if at all) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
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Am 2018-06-25 um 14:18 schrieb Hans Hagen
On 6/24/2018 10:07 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
\starttext \index{sample} \index{fun+games}\index{fun+stuff} %\index{fun}
btw, index entries will only work well with an anchor so loose \index without something following it will not show the right page numbers (if at all)
I don’t understand - why should I try a bare \index? Greetlings, Hraban --- https://www.fiee.net http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.dreiviertelhaus.de GPG Key ID 1C9B22FD
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On 6/25/2018 4:01 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
Am 2018-06-25 um 14:18 schrieb Hans Hagen
: On 6/24/2018 10:07 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
\starttext \index{sample} \index{fun+games}\index{fun+stuff} %\index{fun}
btw, index entries will only work well with an anchor so loose \index without something following it will not show the right page numbers (if at all)
I don’t understand - why should I try a bare \index? your example had so i had to add some bogus content (anyway, i now inject a placeholder as warning anyway)
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