Hello,
here my m-bib questions:
* The lost space after \cite[...], is it a bug or a feature?
* I'm going to add some multi-lingual support to m-bib. My idea is, to replace in cont-XX.bst and bibl-XXX.tex "page" by "\pagename", "and" by "\andname" and so on. Is this method ok? If not, how should I do it (not too complicated please ;) ?
Cheers, Peter
At 10:25 AM 8/8/2004, you wrote:
- I'm going to add some multi-lingual support to m-bib. My idea is, to replace in cont-XX.bst and bibl-XXX.tex "page" by "\pagename", "and" by "\andname" and so on. Is this method ok? If not, how should I do it (not too complicated please ;) ?
One problem with that method is that those names seem relatively common, and thus likely to lead to conflicts in the future.
I would thus suggest \bibitempagename, \bibitemandname, and similar. (Since ConTeXt allows "!" in macro names, maybe \bibitem!pagename, \bibitem!andname, and so forth would be more readable.)
- Brooks
Brooks Moses wrote:
At 10:25 AM 8/8/2004, you wrote:
- I'm going to add some multi-lingual support to m-bib. My idea is, to replace in cont-XX.bst and bibl-XXX.tex "page" by "\pagename",
"and" by "\andname" and so on. Is this method ok? If not, how should I do it (not too complicated please ;) ?
One problem with that method is that those names seem relatively common, and thus likely to lead to conflicts in the future.
I would thus suggest \bibitempagename, \bibitemandname, and similar. (Since ConTeXt allows "!" in macro names, maybe \bibitem!pagename, \bibitem!andname, and so forth would be more readable.)
\starttext
\labeltext{page}
\setuplabeltext[nl][page=xxx] \mainlanguage[nl] \labeltext{page}
\stoptext
so, best do something like:
\setuplabeltext[nl][bib-page=whatever] with \labeltext{bib-page}
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On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 19:25:27 +0200 (CEST), Peter wrote:
Hello,
here my m-bib questions:
- The lost space after \cite[...], is it a bug or a feature?
It is unintentional, and I will try to fix that behaviour in the future.
- I'm going to add some multi-lingual support to m-bib. My idea is, to replace in cont-XX.bst and bibl-XXX.tex "page" by "\pagename", "and" by "\andname" and so on. Is this method ok? If not, how should I do it (not too complicated please ;) ?
Brooks and Hans both gave solutions that do not work all too well (because of combinatory explosion: conseptually there is a distinct 'before-before', 'after-before', 'before-after', 'after-after', and 'not-found' text -- that depends on the current language -- for each and every one of the nodes in the nested tree that represents a bibliographic item).
The best 'easy' solution I can think of is: copy the bibl-xxx.tex file you want to a different name (like bibl-apa-de.tex), then change the text within it on the spot, without any macro replacements whatsoever.
My next release will support something like
\setuppublications[style=apa, language=de]
so from then on, the problem will be hidden from the casual user.
BTW: If in your version the BST files still contain actual text, you should download a newer version from http://tex.aanhet.net/bib .
On Mon, 9 Aug 2004, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
- The lost space after \cite[...], is it a bug or a feature?
It is unintentional, and I will try to fix that behaviour in the future.
Ok, thanks.
The best 'easy' solution I can think of is: copy the bibl-xxx.tex file you want to a different name (like bibl-apa-de.tex), then change the text within it on the spot, without any macro replacements whatsoever.
My next release will support something like
\setuppublications[style=apa, language=de]
Oh, your message came a little bit too late for me... :( I've just finished to add some German support to bibl-apa.tex and cont-au.bst. I attache a zip-file with my modification for the case you're interested.
BTW: If in your version the BST files still contain actual text, you should download a newer version from http://tex.aanhet.net/bib .
I have the newest version, but cont-au.tex has still an " and ".
Cheers and thank you for your package! Peter
On Mon, 9 Aug 2004 13:26:26 +0200 (CEST), Peter wrote:
BTW: If in your version the BST files still contain actual text, you should download a newer version from http://tex.aanhet.net/bib .
I have the newest version, but cont-au.tex has still an " and ".
Ok, saw it. I will correct that in a future release as well.
On Mon, 9 Aug 2004, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 19:25:27 +0200 (CEST), Peter wrote:
- The lost space after \cite[...], is it a bug or a feature?
It is unintentional, and I will try to fix that behaviour in the future.
Hello Taco, it seems that the bug is still there. After quite some time of investigation, here comes my workaround:
\usemodule[bib] \let\citeO\cite% original cite command \unprotect \def\cite{\bgroup \def\inspectnextcharacter{% removed treatment of blanks \ifx\nexttoken\charactertoken @EAEAEA!!stringa \else @EAEAEA!!stringb \fi}% \dodoubleempty\doMyCite} \def\doMyCite[#1][#2]{% \ifsecondargument\gdef@SecondArgument{y}\else\gdef@SecondArgument{n}\fi \egroup \doifelse@SecondArgument{y}{\citeO[#1][#2]}{\citeO[#1]\relax}} \protect \starttext bla \cite[options][key1] bla \cite[key2] bla \placepublications \stoptext
I think there are other commands with that behaviour, but I don't remember which ones...
Cheers, Peter
Peter Münster wrote:
On Mon, 9 Aug 2004, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
On Sun, 8 Aug 2004 19:25:27 +0200 (CEST), Peter wrote:
- The lost space after \cite[...], is it a bug or a feature?
It is unintentional, and I will try to fix that behaviour in the future.
I think there are other commands with that behaviour, but I don't remember which ones...
\at and \in,
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
I think there are other commands with that behaviour, but I don't remember which ones...
\at and \in,
Are you sure? I don't see it: \starttext \section{first} \section[sec2]{second} bla \at[sec2] bla \in[sec2] bla
bla \at{xxx}[sec2] bla \in{xxx}[sec2] bla
bla \at{xxx}{yyy}[sec2] bla \in{xxx}{yyy}[sec2] bla \stoptext
Greetings, Peter
Hi Peter,
I thought they did, but was I wrong, thanks for testing and your patch. I was in a real real hurry when I posted my reply, and still I have no time right now, but I can do a fast question: does your fixed version allow latex-style citations like this:
\cite{article-crossref}
That format has to be supported because it is often used within .BIB files.
Cheers and Thanks again, Taco
Peter Münster wrote:
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
I think there are other commands with that behaviour, but I don't remember which ones...
\at and \in,
Are you sure? I don't see it: \starttext \section{first} \section[sec2]{second} bla \at[sec2] bla \in[sec2] bla
bla \at{xxx}[sec2] bla \in{xxx}[sec2] bla
bla \at{xxx}{yyy}[sec2] bla \in{xxx}{yyy}[sec2] bla \stoptext
Greetings, Peter
On Fri, 30 Dec 2005, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
does your fixed version allow latex-style citations like this:
\cite{article-crossref}
That format has to be supported because it is often used within .BIB files.
Hi Taco, I use your latest beta. The first thing I tested, was just \cite{key}, and since I got an error: Runaway argument? bla \placepublications \stoptext ! File ended while scanning use of \docite. <inserted text> \par <*> &cont-en test.tex
I thought, that this format was no more supported.
But if you need to support also \cite{key} and \cite[options]{key}, then the space problem would be solved anyway: just drop the \cite[] and \cite[][] syntax, I don't see any need for this (just backward compatibility perhaps?). The space problem occurs whenever you do \def\Command{\dodoubleempty\doCommand} \def\doCommand[#1][#2]{....} but not with \def\Command{\dosingleempty\doCommand} \def\doCommand[#1]#2{....}
Cheers and thanks for your great module! Peter
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