how to produce text with facing translation?
Hi all, I think I remember some of you already had experience with this, and I'd be grateful for a few hints that can get me started: as a textbook for a class I'm teaching, I want a booklet that will have Greek text with facing German or English translation. For the setup, I was thinking of \setuppapersize[A5][A4] \setuparranging[2*2] What would be the best way to achieve this? A few requirements: 1. The left-hand pages will have the Greek text, the right-hand pages the German translation. 2. In general, the German translation will be somehwat longer than the original, so I need to be able to insert manual breakpoints, but I want these breakpoints to occur in midparagraph so the last line of the page isn't truncated. 3. Would it be possible to have two sets of footnotes, one for the text, one for the translation? 4. I guess that I'll need to use a grid to make ligns align, right? Any help, as always, will be appreciated. Best Thomas
On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:37:47 +0100, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
3. Would it be possible to have two sets of footnotes, one for the text, one for the translation?
Just a few messages ago on the list was an answer to "Multiple Footnote Threads" - I think that one might solve this item. David
On Mar 2, 2006, at 5:41 PM, David Rogers wrote:
On Thu, 2 Mar 2006 11:37:47 +0100, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
3. Would it be possible to have two sets of footnotes, one for the text, one for the translation?
Just a few messages ago on the list was an answer to "Multiple Footnote Threads" - I think that one might solve this item.
David
Thanks, David, this is indeed the case, and I just wasn't paying attention. Unfortunately, that's the least of the problems... I just saw that about a year ago, there was a similar question on the list. Here's what Hans wrote in April 2005:
i played with dual streams a bit yesterday but have no time to explore it now; it's a tricky business and much depends on what the input / output is to be
it is doable to develop a framework for this, but only when you and others first come up with some decent spec (what kind of input, what kind of sync, what kind of content, how to handle floats, etc)
Hans
Several other members said they were interested too. So could you give us a hint how this can be achieved? Could we start from something very simple and then move on to more advanced features? For the time being, I don't need any floats etc., just basic texts on both sides with footnotes and the possibility to give breakpoints on the recto side. Optimistically Thomas
On Fri, 3 Mar 2006 12:45:56 +0100, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
Several other members said they were interested too. So could you give us a hint how this can be achieved? Could we start from something very simple and then move on to more advanced features? For the time being, I don't need any floats etc., just basic texts on both sides with footnotes and the possibility to give breakpoints on the recto side.
I see what you're saying. I have no idea. Sorry to get hopes up over nothing. David
Am 2006-03-03 um 12:45 schrieb Thomas A. Schmitz:
i played with dual streams a bit yesterday but have no time to explore it now; it's a tricky business and much depends on what the input / output is to be
it is doable to develop a framework for this, but only when you and others first come up with some decent spec (what kind of input, what kind of sync, what kind of content, how to handle floats, etc)
Hans
Several other members said they were interested too. So could you give us a hint how this can be achieved? Could we start from something very simple and then move on to more advanced features? For the time being, I don't need any floats etc., just basic texts on both sides with footnotes and the possibility to give breakpoints on the recto side.
Friendly as ever, Hans suggests that you write a sample/spec how you'd like to use this feature, so that he can think about some implementation himself. E.g., would such help?: \setupsynced[setup name][mode=pages, after=pagebreak, n=2] % n = (number of synced columns, think of more language versions to compare...; default=2) % mode = pages, columns (default=columns; pages only with n=2) % after = pagebreak, space, continue...? (what should we do with remaining space in column?) % footnotes = local, ...? (synced text needs its own set of footnote counters...) % frame, background etc.? \startsynced[mysetup]% { greek text }% { german text } \stopsynced This would be analogous to combinations, but could handle only single paragraphs, I guess. I don't think I need this feature, so it's your turn to propose a syntax! Greetlings from Lake Constance! Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://contextgarden.net http://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer)
Hraban, sounds excellent! OK, what I would dream of for the time being would be: ConTeXt treats a pair of even/odd pages like a unity. It would be ideal to have two input streams, maybe as \start ... \stop environments. \startevenpage text \stopevenpage \startoddpage text \stopoddpage It would be important to have commands like \breakevenpage and \breakoddpage that would insert a pagebreak without breaking the paragraph.* Both even and odd have their own set of footnotes. Both even and odd can have their own dimensions: \setupevenpage[. . .] \setupoddpage[. . .] see \setuplayout. Would that be possible? How hard would it be in ConTeXt? And is there anything in the source that I could look at to get things going? Best Thomas * I'm not sure if this is clear enough. What I want is XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX PAGEBREAK and not XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX XXXX XXXXX On Mar 3, 2006, at 9:25 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
Friendly as ever, Hans suggests that you write a sample/spec how you'd like to use this feature, so that he can think about some implementation himself.
E.g., would such help?:
\setupsynced[setup name][mode=pages, after=pagebreak, n=2] % n = (number of synced columns, think of more language versions to compare...; default=2) % mode = pages, columns (default=columns; pages only with n=2) % after = pagebreak, space, continue...? (what should we do with remaining space in column?) % footnotes = local, ...? (synced text needs its own set of footnote counters...) % frame, background etc.?
\startsynced[mysetup]% { greek text }% { german text } \stopsynced
This would be analogous to combinations, but could handle only single paragraphs, I guess. I don't think I need this feature, so it's your turn to propose a syntax!
Greetlings from Lake Constance! Hraban
Hi, indeed specs is what we need; also think about how to deal with graphics; an odd-even pages is doable ; remind me in a week (due to family circumstances i'll be sparsely online) Hans Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
Hraban,
sounds excellent! OK, what I would dream of for the time being would be: ConTeXt treats a pair of even/odd pages like a unity. It would be ideal to have two input streams, maybe as \start ... \stop environments.
\startevenpage
text
\stopevenpage
\startoddpage
text
\stopoddpage
It would be important to have commands like \breakevenpage and \breakoddpage that would insert a pagebreak without breaking the paragraph.* Both even and odd have their own set of footnotes. Both even and odd can have their own dimensions:
\setupevenpage[. . .]
\setupoddpage[. . .]
see \setuplayout.
Would that be possible? How hard would it be in ConTeXt? And is there anything in the source that I could look at to get things going?
Best
Thomas
* I'm not sure if this is clear enough. What I want is
XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX
PAGEBREAK
and not
XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX XXXXX XXXX XXXXX
On Mar 3, 2006, at 9:25 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:
Friendly as ever, Hans suggests that you write a sample/spec how you'd like to use this feature, so that he can think about some implementation himself.
E.g., would such help?:
\setupsynced[setup name][mode=pages, after=pagebreak, n=2] % n = (number of synced columns, think of more language versions to compare...; default=2) % mode = pages, columns (default=columns; pages only with n=2) % after = pagebreak, space, continue...? (what should we do with remaining space in column?) % footnotes = local, ...? (synced text needs its own set of footnote counters...) % frame, background etc.?
\startsynced[mysetup]% { greek text }% { german text } \stopsynced
This would be analogous to combinations, but could handle only single paragraphs, I guess. I don't think I need this feature, so it's your turn to propose a syntax!
Greetlings from Lake Constance! Hraban
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Great Hans, I'll remind you in a week. And I do hope your family business is a pleasant one... Best Thomas On Mar 5, 2006, at 1:11 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
Hi,
indeed specs is what we need; also think about how to deal with graphics;
an odd-even pages is doable ; remind me in a week (due to family circumstances i'll be sparsely online)
Hans
Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
Great Hans, I'll remind you in a week. And I do hope your family business is a pleasant one...
no, a tragedy, Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
Hans, can I remind you of our discussion about balancing even-odd pages for bilingual editions etc.? I'd be extremely grateful to have that functionality. All best Thomas
Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:
Hans,
can I remind you of our discussion about balancing even-odd pages for bilingual editions etc.? I'd be extremely grateful to have that functionality.
hm, you're persistent ... it all depends on to what extend you want to pose some restrictions to your input but i assume it's just text; such things normally need different soluitions for different situations, so we can best implement a couple of methods; i'll send you one to play with Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
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