This is a problem with math support in a particular beta version a few weeks ago. It has been fixed in the meantime; the latest beta works normally, but in order to install it, you will have to either wait for Taco to make a new snapshot of luatex available at supelec.fr or compile luatex from trunk. Or you can go back to the stable version of ConTeXt from 2008-10-31. Thomas On Feb 23, 2009, at 6:22 PM, Alan Bowen wrote:

Please forgive my resending this. The problem is acute since it concerns a journal that I publish.

As I understand it right now, the problem is that Thomas's latest Greek module and my installation of Latin Modern in MKII are not playing nicely together. (The module works well when I use other fonts).

Is there a better diagnosis of the problem or even a fix for it? I would really hate to have to change the bodyfont for the journal at this point in the current volume.

Alan

But one question before I do this: if I remove the --context=beta switch will running first-setup.sh install the last stable minimal version?

yes, (it's written near the end of first-setup.sh) -- luigi

I have run the ./first-setup.sh without the switch --context=beta and I still get what I had before ConTeXt ver: 2009.01.18 14:39 MKII fmt: 2009.2.23 int: english/ english a beta version (I gather) which in any case does not work. Apparently there is no easy way to go back. So what about going forward? When will the ConTeXt minimals accessible by ./first-setup.sh be updated? A subsidiary worry. By moving the contents of my texmf folder into / ContextMinimals/tex/texmf-project/ I now get duplicate pattern error messages (lang-agr.pat is the culprit) when the shell script runs. But there is only one lang-agr.pat file in ConTeXtMinimals, so what does this mean? (There is no error message if I remove texmf-project before running the script.) Alan On Feb 23, 2009, at 14;20,47 , Alan Bowen wrote:

Thanks, Luigi.

A. On Feb 23, 2009, at 13;26,48 , luigi scarso wrote:

...

...

But one question before I do this: if I remove the --context=beta switch will running first-setup.sh install the last stable minimal version?

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On Mon, 23 Feb 2009, luigi scarso wrote:

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 9:03 PM, Alan Bowen wrote:

...

I have run the ./first-setup.sh without the switch --context=beta and I still get what I had before ConTeXt ver: 2009.01.18 14:39 MKII fmt: 2009.2.23 int: english/english a beta version (I gather) which in any case does not work. Apparently there is no easy way to go back. So what about going forward? When will the ConTeXt minimals accessible by ./first-setup.sh be updated? A subsidiary worry. By moving the contents of my texmf folder into /ContextMinimals/tex/texmf-project/ I now get duplicate pattern error messages (lang-agr.pat is the culprit) when the shell script runs. But there is only one lang-agr.pat file in ConTeXtMinimals, so what does this mean? (There is no error message if I remove texmf-project before running the script.) Alan

In similar situations I reinstall .

I will echo that. Sometimes the easiest thing is to reinstall. Then, rather than copying everything from ~/texmf, just download Thomas's t-greek module from the garden and install it in texmf-project, and check if everything works. If it does not, others will be able to follow your steps and reproduce the problem. Aditya

On Mon, 23 Feb 2009, Alan Bowen wrote:

Aditya and Luigi—many thanks.

I will reinstall the minimals just as soon as ./first-setup.sh can get to a stable version.

In first-setup.sh, remove --context=beta from the last line. Aditya

On Feb 24, 2009, at 1:43 PM, Alan Bowen wrote:

The minimals (both the stable and the beta versions) in contextgarden.net/minimals/setup/$platform/bin seem to be frozen at 2009.01.18 14;39.

I vaguely recall that there was going to be a mismatch between the minimals on the Garden and the minimals at Pragma, but thought that had been fixed, well, sort of.

In any case, my journal is being derailed by the fact that ConTeXt 2009.01.18 has a bug affecting the use of Latin Modern with Thomas’ Greek module.

Alan

mkdir ~/myminimal && cd ~/myminimal rsync -ptv rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/setup/first-setup.sh . ./first-setup.sh --context=current [lots of output snipped] ctxtools --contextversion CtxTools | context version: 2008.11.10 21:40 It's all explained at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Minimals Thomas

Thomas, Luigi— Thanks for tips: they are much appreciated. As it turns out, I had already reinstalled ConTeXt 2008.11.10 21:40 using TimeMachine. What is distressing is that the problem remains. I can either set an article with LM and Greek without proper scaling for the Greek or set the article with LM and proper Greek but without the footnotes (arithmetic overflow). In the first case, I have \usetypescript[lmodern][\defaultencoding] \starttypescript[serif][default][size] \definebodyfont[9.5pt,10.5pt][rm][default] \definebodyfont[9.5pt,10.5pt][mm][default] \stoptypescript and in the second \definebodyfont[9.5pt,10.5pt][rm][default] \definebodyfont[9.5pt,10.5pt][mm][default] There is no problem with other text fonts, by the way. Very frustrating to say the least. Alan On Feb 24, 2009, at 08;04,41 , luigi scarso wrote:

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Alan Bowen wrote:

...

The minimals (both the stable and the beta versions) in contextgarden.net/minimals/setup/$platform/bin seem to be frozen at 2009.01.18 14;39. for me minimals-beta/tex# context --version MtxRun | main context file: /opt/luatex/minimals-beta/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/ context.tex MtxRun | current version: 2009.01.18 14:39

minimals# context --version MtxRun | main context file: /opt/luatex/minimals/tex/texmf-context/tex/context/base/context.tex MtxRun | current version: 2008.11.10 21:40

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Hans, This file will produce the problem: \enableregime[mac] \mainlanguage[en] \usetypescript[lmodern][\defaultencoding] \starttypescript[serif][default][size] \definebodyfont[9.5pt,10.5pt][rm][default] \definebodyfont[9.5pt,10.5pt][mm][default] \stoptypescript \setupbodyfont[lmodern,rm,10.5pt] \usemodule[ancientgreek] [font=GreekDioxipe,scale=2.15,altfont=GreekCanonica,altscale=0.9] \setupfootnotes [conversion =numbers,way=bytext,location=page,rule=on,bodyfont=9.5pt,style=normal] \starttext This Greek should be scaled at 2.15 its design size \localgreek{>'alfa ka`i b~hta} This is more sample text.% \footnote{This is a sample footnote} \stoptext Alan On Feb 24, 2009, at 08;28,26 , Hans Hagen wrote:

Alan Bowen wrote:

...

Thomas, Luigi— Thanks for tips: they are much appreciated. As it turns out, I had already reinstalled ConTeXt 2008.11.10 21:40 using TimeMachine. What is distressing is that the problem remains. I can either set an article with LM and Greek without proper scaling for the Greek or set the article with LM and proper Greek but without the footnotes (arithmetic overflow). In the first case, I have \usetypescript[lmodern][\defaultencoding] \starttypescript[serif][default][size] \definebodyfont[9.5pt,10.5pt][rm][default] \definebodyfont[9.5pt,10.5pt][mm][default] \stoptypescript and in the second \definebodyfont[9.5pt,10.5pt][rm][default] \definebodyfont[9.5pt,10.5pt][mm][default] There is no problem with other text fonts, by the way.

in order to solve this (not sure what the problem is) we need small test files (since i never use greek i have no clue otherwise)

Hans

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Thanks, Thomas! Its does indeed compile. But the font size for the Greek is still wrong. Alan On Feb 24, 2009, at 09;05,40 , Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:

When I add this at the beginning of the file:

\definebodyfontenvironment[10.5pt]

\starttypescript [serif] [default] [size] \definebodyfont [10.5pt] [rm] [default] \stoptypescript

\definebodyfontenvironment[9.5pt]

\starttypescript [serif] [default] [size] \definebodyfont [9.5pt] [rm] [default] \stoptypescript

the file compiles normally.

Thomas

On Feb 24, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Alan Bowen wrote:

...

This file will produce the problem: \enableregime[mac] \mainlanguage[en]

\usetypescript[lmodern][\defaultencoding] \starttypescript[serif][default][size] \definebodyfont[9.5pt,10.5pt][rm][default] \definebodyfont[9.5pt,10.5pt][mm][default] \stoptypescript

\setupbodyfont[lmodern,rm,10.5pt]

\usemodule[ancientgreek] [font=GreekDioxipe,scale=2.15,altfont=GreekCanonica,altscale=0.9]

\setupfootnotes [conversion = numbers,way=bytext,location=page,rule=on,bodyfont=9.5pt,style=normal]

\starttext This Greek should be scaled at 2.15 its design size \localgreek{>'alfa ka`i b~hta}

This is more sample text.% \footnote{This is a sample footnote} \stoptext

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The Greek is not scaled at 2.15 See the attachment. Alan On Feb 24, 2009, at 10;01,44 , Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:

On Feb 24, 2009, at 3:46 PM, Alan Bowen wrote:

...

Thanks, Thomas! Its does indeed compile. But the font size for the Greek is still wrong.

Alan

With your test file, I get properly scaled Greek output both in text and footnotes. So what is wrong with your output?

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Well, that is what it should be. So the problem is definitely on my box. But where? I have no idea right now about how to test this further. Alan On Feb 24, 2009, at 10;22,01 , Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:

On Feb 24, 2009, at 4:13 PM, Alan Bowen wrote:

...

The Greek is not scaled at 2.15

See the attachment.

Alan

Here's my output:

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OK. I now have alphaminimal up and running (ConTeXt ver: 2009.02.17 18:50 MKII fmt: 2009.2.24 int: english/english). (The only change is that I have it in my Applications folder). The test file \enableregime[mac] \mainlanguage[en] \definebodyfontenvironment[10.5pt] %\usetypescript[lmodern][\defaultencoding] %\starttypescript[serif][default][size] \definebodyfont[9.5pt,10.5pt][rm][default] \definebodyfont[9.5pt,10.5pt][mm][default] %\stoptypescript \setupbodyfont[lmodern,rm,10.5pt] \usemodule[ancientgreek] [font=GreekDioxipe,scale=2.15,altfont=GreekCanonica,altscale=0.9] %\usemodule[oldgreek] [font=GreekDioxipe,scale=2.15,altfont=GreekCanonica,altscale=0.9] \setupfootnotes [conversion =numbers,way=bytext,location=page,rule=on,bodyfont=9.5pt,style=normal] \starttext This Greek should be scaled at 2.15 its design size \localgreek{>'alfa ka`i b~hta} This is more sample text.% \footnote{This is a sample footnote} \stoptext processes but the Greek is still the wrong size. Alan On Feb 24, 2009, at 11;00,00 , Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:

On Feb 24, 2009, at 4:42 PM, Alan Bowen wrote:

...

Well, that is what it should be. So the problem is definitely on my box. But where? I have no idea right now about how to test this further.

Alan

I'm aware we have made you install lots of versions, in vain. Nevertheless, I would suggest trying the current beta version. It is broken wrt mkiv, but you are still using mkii, right? So from my earlier mail:

mkdir ~/alphaminimal && cd ~/alphaminimal

rsync -ptv rsync://contextgarden.net/minimals/setup/first-setup.sh .

./first-setup.sh --context=alpha

You will get errors when the installation tries to create the luatex formats; just ignore them; mkii should be fine. At least, that's what I used here to produce the pdf. Be sure to adapt your environment variables and $PATH so you use this new version, not the older ones on your system.

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On Feb 24, 2009, at 6:36 PM, Alan Bowen wrote:

Thomas—

I updated my original ConTeXtMinimals with --context=alpha (ConTeXt ver: 2009.02.24 16:36 MKII) and tried the test file.

By the way, I got the same errors as before when the install script came to luatex, so I guess that is still broken.

Anyway, no joy: the Greek is still the wrong size using \usemodule[ancientgreek].

Alan

Yes, because you haven't added the lines \definebodyfontenvironment[10.5pt] \starttypescript [serif] [default] [size] \definebodyfont [10.5pt] [rm] [default] \stoptypescript \definebodyfontenvironment[9.5pt] \starttypescript [serif] [default] [size] \definebodyfont [9.5pt] [rm] [default] \stoptypescript I get the expected output here. Thomas

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Alan Bowen wrote:

Thanks, Thomas, it now works as it should! Repairing the way I had installed LM was the solution. I am not sure how you got the desired output using my original test file, but never mind. It now works, the journal can proceed, and I am very grateful for your guidance in sorting this out. I dont' understand a thing: does "LM" refer to the fonts under /minimals/tex/texmf/fonts/opentype/public/lm ? If yes, why did you installed them ? They come with minimals .

-- luigi

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Alan Bowen wrote:

Luigi--- I did this because I thought it was necessary (in MKII at least)  to install/define fonts after setting up margin kerning and hanging punctuation---which means that Latin Modern has be re-installed/re-defined if margin kerning etc are to take effect. Is this still right? (Perhaps I am not using the right terminology.) Alan Well, I had never used margin kerning and hanging punctuation but I don't think that a font must be re-installed if margin kerning etc are to take effect .

-- luigi

On Tue, 24 Feb 2009, luigi scarso wrote:

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 7:49 PM, Alan Bowen wrote:

...

Luigi--- I did this because I thought it was necessary (in MKII at least)  to install/define fonts after setting up margin kerning and hanging punctuation---which means that Latin Modern has be re-installed/re-defined if margin kerning etc are to take effect. Is this still right? (Perhaps I am not using the right terminology.) Alan Well, I had never used margin kerning and hanging punctuation but I don't think that a font must be re-installed if margin kerning etc are to take effect .

I think that Alan means that you need to reset the font, as explained in http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Protrusion#Use_with_Latin_Modern Aditya

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Alan Bowen wrote:

That is what he means, Aditya! *–) Many thanks. A. ah ok. this one \usetypescript[serif,sans,mono][hanging][pure] \setupalign[hanging] \usetypescript[modern-base][texnansi] % a simplified latin-modern typescript \setupbodyfont[reset] \setupbodyfont[modern]

In mkii usually with "font installation" one means run texfont (with appropriate switches ) on a set of fonts . If a font is installed correctly, this font can be "loaded" , or .better, made available to the engine But in in mkiv there is no need for texfont so fonts installation is more easy: just copy them into the right places, and it's all ok. -- luigi

good . On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 9:52 PM, Alan Bowen wrote:

Luigi— I do not know if what you suggest will work with Thomas’ Greek module. What I have now (thanks to Thomas) in my environment file is: \usetypescript[serif,sans,mono,mm][hanging][normal] \setupalign[hz,hanging] \setupfootnotes[align={hz,hanging}] \startfonthandling[greekpure] \defineprotrudefactor . 0 1 \defineprotrudefactor , 0 1 \defineprotrudefactor ; 0 1 \defineprotrudefactor ? 0 1 \defineprotrudefactor - 0 1 \defineprotrudefactor hyphen 0 1 \defineprotrudefactor endash 0 .5 \defineprotrudefactor emdash 0 .33 \stopfonthandling \setupencoding[default=ec] \definebodyfontenvironment[10.5pt] \starttypescript [serif] [default] [size] \definebodyfont [10.5pt] [rm] [default] \stoptypescript \definebodyfontenvironment[9.5pt] \starttypescript [serif] [default] [size] \definebodyfont[9.5pt] [rm] [default] \stoptypescript \setupbodyfont[lmodern,rm,10.5pt] \usemodule[ancientgreek][font=GreekDioxipe,scale=1.15,altfont=GreekCanonica,altscale=0.9] \def\grk{\localgreek} \def\altgrk{\localaltgreek} \setupfontsynonym[GreekDioxipe][handling=greekpure] \setupfontsynonym[GreekCanonica][handling=greekpure] and this does work with all the bells and whistles. Alan

On Feb 24, 2009, at 15;32,29 , luigi scarso wrote:

On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Alan Bowen wrote:

That is what he means, Aditya! *–) Many thanks. A.

ah ok. this one \usetypescript[serif,sans,mono][hanging][pure] \setupalign[hanging] \usetypescript[modern-base][texnansi]  % a simplified latin-modern typescript \setupbodyfont[reset] \setupbodyfont[modern]

In mkii usually with "font installation"  one means run texfont (with appropriate switches ) on a set of fonts . If a font is installed correctly, this font can be "loaded" , or .better, made available to the engine

But in in mkiv there is no need for texfont so fonts installation is more easy: just copy them into the right places, and it's all ok.

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So, does MKIV do away with this requirement, Hans? Alan On Feb 24, 2009, at 15;21,02 , Hans Hagen wrote:

Alan Bowen wrote:

...

Luigi--- I did this because I thought it was necessary (in MKII at least) to install/define fonts after setting up margin kerning and hanging punctuation---which means that Latin Modern has be re-installed/re- defined if margin kerning etc are to take effect. Is this still right? (Perhaps I am not using the right terminology.)

hm, margin kerning does not demands reinstallation; it only needs to be initialized at the right time because fonts are reused and enabling hz for some font that already has been defined is ignored (in mkii) which is due to the way traditional tex caches fonts

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Thomas— Did you test this on a Mac? Alan On Feb 24, 2009, at 10;22,01 , Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:

On Feb 24, 2009, at 4:13 PM, Alan Bowen wrote:

...

The Greek is not scaled at 2.15

See the attachment.

Alan

Here's my output:

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Thomas— Before I turn to your other messages (which I will follow up on, since I prefer very much to be current). \usemodule[oldgreek] [font=GreekDioxipe,scale=2.15,altfont=GreekCanonica,altscale=0.9] instead of \usemodule[ancientgreek]... gives the desired output. Alan On Feb 24, 2009, at 10;22,01 , Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:

On Feb 24, 2009, at 4:13 PM, Alan Bowen wrote:

...

The Greek is not scaled at 2.15

See the attachment.

Alan

Here's my output:

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I have tried to reproduce your problem, but I can't see anything - Greek works in footnotes and with proper scaling here. Please make a minimal example. Thomas On Feb 24, 2009, at 2:31 PM, Alan Bowen wrote:

Thomas, Luigi—

Thanks for tips: they are much appreciated.

As it turns out, I had already reinstalled ConTeXt 2008.11.10 21:40 using TimeMachine.

What is distressing is that the problem remains. I can either set an article with LM and Greek without proper scaling for the Greek or set the article with LM and proper Greek but without the footnotes (arithmetic overflow).

In the SECOND case, I have

\usetypescript[lmodern][\defaultencoding] \starttypescript[serif][default][size] \definebodyfont[9.5pt,10.5pt][rm][default] \definebodyfont[9.5pt,10.5pt][mm][default] \stoptypescript

and in the FIRST

\definebodyfont[9.5pt,10.5pt][rm][default] \definebodyfont[9.5pt,10.5pt][mm][default]

There is no problem with other text fonts, by the way.

Very frustrating to say the least.

Alan

Many thanks for this explanation of what works now, Mocja. I am going to move my luatex problem (which you mention below) back to its original thread. (If only because it is really nice to tie off the LM problem and call it solved.). Alan On Feb 25, 2009, at 08;23,43 , Mojca Miklavec wrote:

On Mon, Feb 23, 2009 at 21:03, Alan Bowen wrote:

...

I have run the ./first-setup.sh without the switch --context=beta and I still get what I had before ConTeXt ver: 2009.01.18 14:39 MKII fmt: 2009.2.23 int: english/ english a beta version (I gather) which in any case does not work.

If you remove --context=beta you should (at least in theory) get the "current". At the moment this exceptionally doesn't correspond with the "current" version on Pragma because what's in current doesn't work with the latest released luatex beta.

Also, --context=beta exceptionally doesn't correspond to the true beta from pragma, because the current beta doesn't work with the latest released luatex beta.

If you want to go back in time with ConTeXt, you can use --context=yyyy.mm.dd (see http://minimals.contextgarden.net/current/context/).

You can also use --context=alpha or --context=experimental, but we don't have all the needed binaries set up, so in that case you probably need to compile luatex yourself (I'll try to fix that once I get back home).

alpha = alpha from Pragma if one is available, else beta, else current (if there's no beta)

...

Apparently there is no easy way to go back. So what about going forward? When will the ConTeXt minimals accessible by ./first-setup.sh be updated?

current: whenever Hans releases a new current beta: whenever the next luatex beta will be released alpha, experimental: updated hourly, but don't work out of the box without using your own luatex

...

A subsidiary worry. By moving the contents of my texmf folder into /ContextMinimals/tex/texmf-project/ I now get duplicate pattern error messages (lang-agr.pat is the culprit) when the shell script runs. But there is only one lang-agr.pat file in ConTeXtMinimals, so what does this mean? (There is no error message if I remove texmf-project before running the script.)

Totally weird. Taco? Hans?

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