On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Lars Huttar wrote:

On 11/21/2008 12:01 PM, Lars Huttar wrote:

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So as far as we know, nobody has successfully used \sethyphenatedurlbefore/after/etc. to tune the url-breaking mechanism. Has anybody else on the list done this?

OK... I have a working workaround... close your eyes, because it's ugly.

I just put \hbox{} around the sections that we don't want broken, and \discretionary{}{}{} in the places we will allow a break: \hbox{http://}\discretionary{}{}{}\hbox{www}\discretionary{}{}{}\hbox{.sil}\discretionary{}{}{}\hbox{.org/}\discretionary{}{}{}\hbox{silesr/}...

One of our URLs goes from 89 to 391 characters! :-p

Maybe posting this awful kluge to the list will motivate someone who knows TeX better to post a more elegant solution. :-)

I don't know many details about TeX, but simple tests like the one below seem to work: \bgroup \catcode`\:=11 \catcode`\/=11 \catcode`\~=11 \catcode`\,=11 \catcode`\-=11 \catcode`\_=11 \catcode`\?=11 \lccode`\:=`\: \lccode`\/=`\/ \lccode`\~=`\~ \lccode`\,=`\, \lccode`\-=`\- \lccode`\_=`\_ \lccode`\?=`\? % not sure how to handle the dot, but this seems to work \catcode`\.=11 \catcode`\^=11 \lccode`\^=`\. \patterns{ 8:3 % break after : (never before) 3^8 % break before . (never after) 8/3 % break after / (never before) 3~8 % break before ~ (never after) 3,8 3-8 3_8 3?8 } \egroup And then an ugly document (after selecting the proper language): \bgroup \catcode`\:=11 \catcode`\.=11 \catcode`\/=11 \catcode`\~=11 \catcode`\,=11 \catcode`\-=11 \catcode`\_=11 \catcode`\?=11 \lccode`\:=`\: \lccode`\.=`\. \lccode`\/=`\/ \lccode`\~=`\~ \lccode`\,=`\, \lccode`\-=`\- \lccode`\_=`\_ \lccode`\?=`\? \showhyphens{http://www.sil.org/silesr/} hello \egroup This returns http://-www-.sil-.org/-silesr/ But one would need to complete the rules above (should be almost trivial), and of course one would need to write all the needed macros to use the "url language" automatically when typesetting URLs. Mojca

On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:

Mojca Miklavec wrote:

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hack hack hack hack ....

I tried solutions with special patterns sveral times but the problem is in mixed languages, i.e. english text mixed with url-language; there are some limitations (in pdftex for instance the same codes are used fo rthe whole par (i.e. mixed languages are possible but with the same lccodes etc). Also, one needs to get rid of the -

Whooops! I didn't know about those limitations (same catcodes in paragraph, no language mixing). It seemed like a clean solution to me, but apparently it's not. (Sorry for the brainwash.) Mojca

Albrecht Kauffmann wrote:

Hi all,

would it be able to write a line after a table or figure (e.g.: "Data source: ...") that will be handled as a part of the float object?

Just do \placefigure[]{}{\externalfigure[cow.pdf]\crlf Data source: .. } Best wishes, Taco

Dear ConTeXtuals, a few days ago I asked this question but got not any answer. I think it is an important issue to couple a comment with a float (e.g. a table or figure) that has to be moved together with the float, similarly to local footnotes. Has someone solved this problem already somehow or other? With many thanks for hints, Albrecht On Sat, 22 Nov 2008, Albrecht Kauffmann wrote:

Hi all,

would it be able to write a line after a table or figure (e.g.: "Data source: ...") that will be handled as a part of the float object?

With many thanks for any hint, Albrecht

On Sat, 22 Nov 2008, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

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On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:

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Mojca Miklavec wrote:

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hack hack hack hack ....

I tried solutions with special patterns sveral times but the problem is in mixed languages, i.e. english text mixed with url-language; there are some limitations (in pdftex for instance the same codes are used fo rthe whole par (i.e. mixed languages are possible but with the same lccodes etc). Also, one needs to get rid of the -

Whooops! I didn't know about those limitations (same catcodes in paragraph, no language mixing). It seemed like a clean solution to me, but apparently it's not. (Sorry for the brainwash.)

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Lars Huttar wrote:

Also, I don't see a way to prevent breaking between two slashes... unless you treat them as part of a separate hbox: \hbox{http://}\ForMojcaWhoLikesHacks{www.sil.org/silesr/} which is not a big problem.

it's no problem to catch the // but in general this method is not that generic since font changes in math are somewhat limited and kerning is gone too Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Am 21.11.2008 um 23:53 schrieb Hans Hagen:

Mojca Miklavec wrote:

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hack hack hack hack ....

I tried solutions with special patterns sveral times but the problem is in mixed languages, i.e. english text mixed with url-language; there are some limitations (in pdftex for instance the same codes are used fo rthe whole par (i.e. mixed languages are possible but with the same lccodes etc). Also, one needs to get rid of the -

Anyhow, there is another trick, one that Aditya might love ...

\bgroup

\gdef\lettercolon{:}

\catcode`\:=\active \catcode`\^=\active \catcode`\/=\active \catcode`\~=\active

\gdef\ForMojcaWhoLikesHacks#1% {\dontleavehmode \begingroup \mathcode`\:="8000 \mathcode`\^="8000 \mathcode`\/="8000 \mathcode`\~="8000 \def:{\nobreak \hbox{\lettercolon}\allowbreak}% \def^{\allowbreak\hbox{\letterhat }\nobreak}% \def/{\nobreak \hbox{\letterslash}\allowbreak}% \def~{\allowbreak\hbox{\lettertilde}\nobreak}% \everymath\emptytoks \mathsurround\zeropoint$\tttf#1$% \endgroup}

\egroup

\hsize 1mm \ForMojcaWhoLikesHacks{http://www.sil.org/silesr/}

Conclusion please: Is \ForMojcaWhoLikesHacks an improvement of \hyphenatedurls in terms of being closer to this "Chicago style" sort of standard? [And thus being part of next beta?] Or is it a personal hack, fitting Lars' needs? Steffen