Arggh, Nimbus font instead of original Adobe

Berend de Boer

18 Feb 2006 18 Feb '06

9:25 a.m.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hello All, I'm again hit by the disapperance of the Adoboe default fonts. When I create a PDF document, I get the Nimbus (urw) fonts, instead of the Adobe. Sample doc: ========================= \setupbodyfont [pos,ss,11pt] \starttext \subject{Test} Of correct font. \stoptext ========================= .log file of pdfetex: subject : - Test fonts : using map file: original-base fonts : using map file: ec-public-lm fonts : using map file: ec-base fonts : using map file: original-adobe-euro fonts : using map file: 8r-base fonts : using map file: 8r-urw-times fonts : using map file: original-youngryu-tx fonts : using map file: 8r-urw-helvetica fonts : using map file: 8r-urw-courier [1.1{/usr/TeX/texmf-var/fonts/map/pdftex/updmap/pdftex.map}{/usr/TeX/texmf/font s/map/pdftex/context/original-base.map}{/usr/TeX/texmf/fonts/map/pdftex/context /ec-public-lm.map}{/usr/TeX/texmf/fonts/map/pdftex/context/ec-base.map}{/usr/Te X/texmf/fonts/map/pdftex/context/original-adobe-euro.map}{/usr/TeX/texmf/fonts/ map/pdftex/context/8r-base.map} Warning: pdfetex (file 8r-urw-times.map): cannot open font map file {/usr/TeX/texmf/fonts/map/pdftex/context/original-youngryu-tx.map} Warning: pdfetex (file 8r-urw-helvetica.map): cannot open font map file Warning: pdfetex (file 8r-urw-courier.map): cannot open font map file ] systems : end file test at line 10 ){/usr/TeX/texmf-dist/fonts/enc/dvips/base/8r.enc} Output written on test.pdf (1 page, 8668 bytes). updmap --edit gives: LW35 ADOBEkb pdftexDownloadBase14 false I'm using the latest context. Perhaps some relevant quotes from my cont-sys.tex: \setupencoding[\s!default=8r] % or "ec", if you prefer \usetypescript[berry][\defaultencoding] - -- All the best, Berend de Boer (PGP public key: http://www.pobox.com/~berend/berend-public-key.txt) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/ iD8DBQFD9ugIIyuuaiRyjTYRAsn0AKCvHfsDaJZVXPIcIURZSkpUvM7AaQCg1Gus 4aPXXRdK4R1Td60jVqbL5a0= =9+SA -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

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Taco Hoekwater

18 Feb 18 Feb

10:08 a.m.

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Hello All,

I'm again hit by the disapperance of the Adoboe default fonts. When I create a PDF document, I get the Nimbus (urw) fonts, instead of the Adobe.

The final remapping is done in 8r-base.map, as far as I can see (in dvi mode the font 'phvr8t' is used). If you actually have the Adobe binary font files, I suggest copying Hans' 8r-base to a different directory such that it will be found before the distributed one, and change the 'u' pfb names to 'p' pfb names in the copy. If you do _not_ have the Adobe binary fonts, then I am afraid you have to learn to live with the URW versions. These days, a non-embedded Helvetica seems to imply the use of Adobe Sans MM, and I've had a production PDF rejected by a printing house because of that.

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updmap --edit gives:

LW35 ADOBEkb pdftexDownloadBase14 false

updmap is irrelevant, ConTeXt comes with its own map files. Cheers, Taco

Adam Lindsay

10:56 a.m.

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Hello All,

I'm again hit by the disapperance of the Adoboe default fonts. When I create a PDF document, I get the Nimbus (urw) fonts, instead of the Adobe.

If you do _not_ have the Adobe binary fonts, then I am afraid you have to learn to live with the URW versions. These days, a non-embedded Helvetica seems to imply the use of Adobe Sans MM, and I've had a production PDF rejected by a printing house because of that.

I would second what Taco says: not embedding is just asking for trouble from third parties. However, if you're independent or otherwise control everybody's viewer, try this: \usetypescript[adobekb][8r] \loadmapfile[8r-base-ndl] \usetypescript[postscript][8r] % 'pos' is deprecated \setupbodyfont[postscript,ss,11pt] \starttext \showbodyfont \subject{Test} Of correct font. \stoptext

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updmap is irrelevant, ConTeXt comes with its own map files.

And here's one that ConTeXt can use (after Berend gives a thorough test and some feedback). [Incidentally, there is one NimbusRoman that gets embedded: that's the slanted version, which seems unavoidable.] adam -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Adam T. Lindsay, Computing Dept. atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk Lancaster University, InfoLab21 +44(0)1524/510.514 Lancaster, LA1 4WA, UK Fax:+44(0)1524/510.492 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- % courier / urw ucrb8r Courier-Bold "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc ucrbo8r Courier-BoldOblique "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc ucrr8r Courier "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc ucrro8r Courier-Oblique "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc % courier / adobe pcrb8r Courier-Bold "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc pcrbo8r Courier-BoldOblique "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc pcrr8r Courier "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc pcrro8r Courier-Oblique "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc % helvetica / urw uhvb8r Helvetica-Bold "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc uhvbo8r Helvetica-BoldOblique "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc uhvr8r Helvetica "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc uhvro8r Helvetica-Oblique "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc % helvetica / adobe phvb8r Helvetica-Bold "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc phvbo8r Helvetica-BoldOblique "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc phvr8r Helvetica "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc phvro8r Helvetica-Oblique "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc % times / urw utmb8r Times-Bold "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc utmbi8r Times-BoldItalic "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc utmr8r Times-Roman "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc utmri8r Times-Italic "TeXBase1Encoding ReEncodeFont" <8r.enc utmbo8r NimbusRomNo9L-Medi ".167 SlantFont" <8r.enc

Berend de Boer

11:49 a.m.

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Adam Lindsay writes:

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However, if you're independent or otherwise control everybody's viewer, try this:

Unfortunately, this doesn't work. - -- Live long and prosper, Berend de Boer (PGP public key: http://www.pobox.com/~berend/berend-public-key.txt) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/ iD8DBQFD9wmxIyuuaiRyjTYRAvGfAKCooL18JoEq11n+z2Q6tcmR3CxKhACgwpve RxXZEJrC7WevqLBYjnRQxe4= =zpv8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Adam Lindsay

6:15 p.m.

Berend de Boer wrote:

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However, if you're independent or otherwise control everybody's viewer, try this:

Unfortunately, this doesn't work.

What fails? -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Adam T. Lindsay, Computing Dept. atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk Lancaster University, InfoLab21 +44(0)1524/510.514 Lancaster, LA1 4WA, UK Fax:+44(0)1524/510.492 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Adam Lindsay

11:02 p.m.

Adam Lindsay wrote:

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Berend de Boer wrote:

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However, if you're independent or otherwise control everybody's viewer, try this: Unfortunately, this doesn't work.

What fails?

That is to say, could you please give a more detailed report? It works here: The attached new mapfile (in my original post) lived in a ConTeXt-accessible path (in this case, just the testfile's directory), and contained entries directly cut-and-paste from my pdftex_ndl14.map. Some commentary on the testfile: %D Berry doesn't work here because it's not available with 8r: \usetypescript[adobekb][8r] %D The adobekb typescript loads 8r-base, so we have to %D overwrite the font embedding entries by loading this after: \loadmapfile[8r-base-ndl] %D The current way of triggering the 'pos' combination: \usetypescript[postscript][8r] % 'pos' is deprecated \setupbodyfont[postscript,ss,11pt] \starttext %D Since this triggers the "slanted" variant, there will be *one* %D NimbusRoman font embedded. The rest is left up to the viewer: \showbodyfont \subject{Test} Of correct font. \stoptext -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Adam T. Lindsay, Computing Dept. atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk Lancaster University, InfoLab21 +44(0)1524/510.514 Lancaster, LA1 4WA, UK Fax:+44(0)1524/510.492 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Berend de Boer

19 Feb 19 Feb

5:34 p.m.

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What fails?

That is to say, could you please give a more detailed report?

Just that it still includes the Nimbus font. - -- Live long and prosper, Berend de Boer (PGP public key: http://www.pobox.com/~berend/berend-public-key.txt) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/ iD8DBQFD+Kw7IyuuaiRyjTYRAmMZAJ9dNyk9Ao20NSoBYvZQK8bgUNqShwCgvaTv J0tjKyPAeAvtUo8U9dQdc34= =a0EL -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Adam Lindsay

20 Feb 20 Feb

7:50 a.m.

Berend de Boer wrote:

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What fails? That is to say, could you please give a more detailed report?

Just that it still includes the Nimbus font.

Read the previous email messages. Try a test document without the \showbodyfont command. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Adam T. Lindsay, Computing Dept. atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk Lancaster University, InfoLab21 +44(0)1524/510.514 Lancaster, LA1 4WA, UK Fax:+44(0)1524/510.492 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Berend de Boer

9:37 a.m.

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Read the previous email messages.

Ah, you included a map file, had overlooked that with my first quick test. Wanted to try the suggestion of Taco when I would have more time, but you already did the work. Sorry I missed that, and that works!! - -- Live long and prosper, Berend de Boer (PGP public key: http://www.pobox.com/~berend/berend-public-key.txt) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/ iD8DBQFD+Y3PIyuuaiRyjTYRAprTAKDVbbYf6s82Fe/hWtzPQfjUd+I1uwCgoFXW byuNeUxT4Bsr3B9oI7hil00= =wkco -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Adam Lindsay

12:26 p.m.

Berend de Boer wrote:

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Read the previous email messages.

Ah, you included a map file, had overlooked that with my first quick test. Wanted to try the suggestion of Taco when I would have more time, but you already did the work. Sorry I missed that, and that works!!

Oh good! I was starting to doubt some of my core competencies. Now, can you take it out for an extended spin/test? I'd like to be able to package it up in a way that (potentially) allows others to use it. Or: Hans, Taco: is this feature best left as a dangerous curve, best left to specific users who need it? -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Adam T. Lindsay, Computing Dept. atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk Lancaster University, InfoLab21 +44(0)1524/510.514 Lancaster, LA1 4WA, UK Fax:+44(0)1524/510.492 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Hans Hagen

2:13 p.m.

Adam Lindsay wrote:

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Berend de Boer wrote:

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Read the previous email messages.

Ah, you included a map file, had overlooked that with my first quick test. Wanted to try the suggestion of Taco when I would have more time, but you already did the work. Sorry I missed that, and that works!!

Oh good! I was starting to doubt some of my core competencies.

Now, can you take it out for an extended spin/test? I'd like to be able to package it up in a way that (potentially) allows others to use it.

Or: Hans, Taco: is this feature best left as a dangerous curve, best left to specific users who need it?

no problem to wrap it up, as long as you warn users of the implications Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Berend de Boer

22 Feb 22 Feb

5:34 p.m.

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Now, can you take it out for an extended spin/test? I'd like to be able to package it up in a way that (potentially) allows others to use it.

I already did. Works perfectly for every document.

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Or: Hans, Taco: is this feature best left as a dangerous curve, best left to specific users who need it?

It was a core feature I used: the ability to create small PDF files with better looking fonts than the Nimbus ones. - -- Live long and prosper, Berend de Boer (PGP public key: http://www.pobox.com/~berend/berend-public-key.txt) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/ iD8DBQFD/KCTIyuuaiRyjTYRAqXKAKCUl+d3PE6R6D5SccPVadkCvSx7+gCgvWYl kgFpLuEVXBM0f9JRAzj6caw= =jNsM -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Taco Hoekwater

10:52 p.m.

Berend de Boer wrote:

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Or: Hans, Taco: is this feature best left as a dangerous curve, best left to specific users who need it?

It was a core feature I used: the ability to create small PDF files with better looking fonts than the Nimbus ones.

Out of curiousity: what *does* you previewer show in the 'fonts' dialog? Cheers, Taco

Berend de Boer

24 Feb 24 Feb

12:51 a.m.

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It was a core feature I used: the ability to create small PDF files with better looking fonts than the Nimbus ones.

Out of curiousity: what *does* you previewer show in the 'fonts' dialog?

Acrobat Reader 7.0 on Linux: Helvetica Type: Type 1 Encoding: Custom Actual Font: Adobe Sans MM Actual Font Type: Type 1 File size: 3999 bytes. - -- Live long and prosper, Berend de Boer (PGP public key: http://www.pobox.com/~berend/berend-public-key.txt) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.8 http://mailcrypt.sourceforge.net/ iD8DBQFD/linIyuuaiRyjTYRAurQAJ0TlZEgFffixV4sPns06kpdXkN6GgCgvFwe CiZ+mzyImsGdtEt41y0KJqw= =QDOx -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----

Henning Hraban Ramm

25 Feb 25 Feb

9:17 p.m.

Am 2006-02-24 um 01:51 schrieb Berend de Boer:

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Out of curiousity: what *does* you previewer show in the 'fonts' dialog?

Acrobat Reader 7.0 on Linux:

Helvetica Type: Type 1 Encoding: Custom Actual Font: Adobe Sans MM Actual Font Type: Type 1

That means: Theres nowhere any URW Nimbus font, but simply *none* embedded, so Adobe Reader uses its substitution "Adobe Sans". I guess you would be happy with the Nimbus font... Greetlings from Lake Constance! Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://contextgarden.net http://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer)

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