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Wolfgang Schuster

9 Aug 2021 9 Aug '21

10:10 a.m.

Fabrice Couvreur schrieb am 09.08.2021 um 14:16:

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Hi Wolfgang, Thank you for your suggestion. I tested the code and the result is not what I expected from the second item : "2 exemple" instead of "2^{e} exemple", "3 exemple" instead of "3^{e} exemple" ...

core-con.lua (line 1155): local ordinals = { [...] french = function(n) if n == 1 then return "er" + else + return "e" end end, }

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Then I tried to use the key alternative = serried but without success.

This works for me: \defineenumeration [test] [text=, alternative=serried, width=fit, distance=.5em, numbercommand=\groupedcommand{}{~exemple}, numberconversion=ordinal] \mainlanguage [fr] \starttext \starttest \input knuth \stoptest \starttest \input knuth \stoptest \stoptext Wolfgang

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Otared Kavian

11 Aug 11 Aug

2:09 a.m.

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On 9 Aug 2021, at 18:10, Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context wrote: (…) core-con.lua (line 1155):

local ordinals = { [...] french = function(n) if n == 1 then return "er" + else + return "e" end end, }

Hi Wolfgang, Thanks for the example and the fix, but I would rather think that the « french » part of ordinals should be french = function(n) if n == 1 then return « er" else return « ème" end end, Now if this were not accepted as a fix in core-con.lua, is there a way for a user to change the default to the above choice in his document ? Best regards: Otared

Thomas A. Schmitz

2:19 a.m.

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On 11. Aug 2021, at 10:09, Otared Kavian via ntg-context wrote:

Thanks for the example and the fix, but I would rather think that the « french » part of ordinals should be

french = function(n) if n == 1 then return « er" else return « ème" end end,

Except if you have something like “1ère image”… Ah, languages are so messy (no pun with recent events in Paris intended). Thomas

Otared Kavian

5:55 a.m.

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On 11 Aug 2021, at 10:19, Thomas A. Schmitz via ntg-context wrote:

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On 11. Aug 2021, at 10:09, Otared Kavian via ntg-context wrote:

Thanks for the example and the fix, but I would rather think that the « french » part of ordinals should be

french = function(n) if n == 1 then return « er" else return « ème" end end,

Except if you have something like “1ère image”… Ah, languages are so messy (no pun with recent events in Paris intended).

Thomas

Sure… But then maybe it is possible to define one’s own « ordinals.french » for messy cases :-)

Hans Hagen

2:23 a.m.

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On 8/11/2021 10:09 AM, Otared Kavian via ntg-context wrote:

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On 9 Aug 2021, at 18:10, Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context wrote: (…) core-con.lua (line 1155):

local ordinals = { [...] french = function(n) if n == 1 then return "er" + else + return "e" end end, }

Hi Wolfgang,

Thanks for the example and the fix, but I would rather think that the « french » part of ordinals should be

french = function(n) if n == 1 then return « er" else return « ème" end end,

Now if this were not accepted as a fix in core-con.lua, is there a way for a user to change the default to the above choice in his document ?

it is no problem to fix if you all can agree on what/how to fix ... Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Fabrice Couvreur

4:41 a.m.

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Hi Wolfgang, Many thanks Fabrice Le mer. 11 août 2021 à 10:23, Hans Hagen via ntg-context a écrit :

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On 8/11/2021 10:09 AM, Otared Kavian via ntg-context wrote:

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On 9 Aug 2021, at 18:10, Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context <

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(…) core-con.lua (line 1155):

local ordinals = { [...] french = function(n) if n == 1 then return "er" + else + return "e" end end, }

Hi Wolfgang,

Thanks for the example and the fix, but I would rather think that the « french » part of ordinals should be

french = function(n) if n == 1 then return « er" else return « ème" end end,

Now if this were not accepted as a fix in core-con.lua, is there a way for a user to change the default to the above choice in his document ?

it is no problem to fix if you all can agree on what/how to fix ...

Hans

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Fabrice Couvreur

4:57 a.m.

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I forgot this : how to reduce the font size for the exponents "er", "e" ? Thanks Fabrice Le mer. 11 août 2021 à 12:41, Fabrice Couvreur a écrit :

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Hi Wolfgang, Many thanks Fabrice

Le mer. 11 août 2021 à 10:23, Hans Hagen via ntg-context < ntg-context@ntg.nl> a écrit :

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On 8/11/2021 10:09 AM, Otared Kavian via ntg-context wrote:

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On 9 Aug 2021, at 18:10, Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context <

ntg-context@ntg.nl> wrote:

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(…) core-con.lua (line 1155):

local ordinals = { [...] french = function(n) if n == 1 then return "er" + else + return "e" end end, }

Hi Wolfgang,

Thanks for the example and the fix, but I would rather think that the « french » part of ordinals should be

french = function(n) if n == 1 then return « er" else return « ème" end end,

Now if this were not accepted as a fix in core-con.lua, is there a way for a user to change the default to the above choice in his document ?

it is no problem to fix if you all can agree on what/how to fix ...

Hans

----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

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Wolfgang Schuster

13 Aug 13 Aug

4:41 a.m.

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Fabrice Couvreur via ntg-context schrieb am 11.08.2021 um 12:57:

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I forgot this : how to reduce the font size for the exponents "er", "e" ?

The exponents are placed with \high and you can change the style with \setuphigh[style=...] but this affects all texts which use \high. Wolfgang

Vincent Hennebert

27 Aug 27 Aug

3:26 a.m.

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On Wed, 2021-08-11 at 10:23 +0200, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:

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On 8/11/2021 10:09 AM, Otared Kavian via ntg-context wrote:

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On 9 Aug 2021, at 18:10, Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context wrote: (…) core-con.lua (line 1155):

local ordinals = { [...] french = function(n) if n == 1 then return "er" + else + return "e" end end, }

Hi Wolfgang,

Thanks for the example and the fix, but I would rather think that the « french » part of ordinals should be

french = function(n) if n == 1 then return « er" else return « ème" end end,

Now if this were not accepted as a fix in core-con.lua, is there a way for a user to change the default to the above choice in his document ?

it is no problem to fix if you all can agree on what/how to fix ...

The purpose of abbreviations is, well, to abbreviate. Even though ‘ème’ is seen a lot, it’s wrong because it’s too long. Source (pretty official): https://www.academie-francaise.fr/abreviations-des-adjectifs-numeraux So for numbers starting from 3 the proper abbreviation is ‘e’. For 1 and 2 it’s more complicated, however, as it depends on the gender. For 1: * masculine: 1er * feminine: 1re In addition for 2, and when the enumeration contains only 2 elements, there is the option to use the older word ‘second(e)’: * masculine: 2d * feminine: 2de For 3 elements and above, we always use the newer word ‘deuxième’, which is abbreviated in the form of the generic ‘e’. While that rule is optional, people who use tools like ConTeXt are likely to pay attention to that kind of details and will probably want to use it. Finally, we have to add an ‘s’ to all the abbreviations if the plural is needed (the 1st (1ers) elements, the 2nd (2ds or 2es) elements, etc., vs the 1st (1er) element, 2nd (2d or 2e) element…). Now, can all those subtleties be coded in a function? :) Vincent

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Hans

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Rudolf Bahr

9:10 a.m.

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On Fri, Aug 27, 2021 at 11:26:47AM +0200, Vincent Hennebert via ntg-context wrote:

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On Wed, 2021-08-11 at 10:23 +0200, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:

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On 8/11/2021 10:09 AM, Otared Kavian via ntg-context wrote:

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On 9 Aug 2021, at 18:10, Wolfgang Schuster via ntg-context wrote: (…) core-con.lua (line 1155):

local ordinals = { [...] french = function(n) if n == 1 then return "er" + else + return "e" end end, }

Hi Wolfgang,

Thanks for the example and the fix, but I would rather think that the « french » part of ordinals should be

french = function(n) if n == 1 then return « er" else return « ème" end end,

Now if this were not accepted as a fix in core-con.lua, is there a way for a user to change the default to the above choice in his document ?

it is no problem to fix if you all can agree on what/how to fix ...

The purpose of abbreviations is, well, to abbreviate. Even though ‘ème’ is seen a lot, it’s wrong because it’s too long. Source (pretty official): https://www.academie-francaise.fr/abreviations-des-adjectifs-numeraux

So for numbers starting from 3 the proper abbreviation is ‘e’.

For 1 and 2 it’s more complicated, however, as it depends on the gender. For 1: * masculine: 1er * feminine: 1re

In addition for 2, and when the enumeration contains only 2 elements, there is the option to use the older word ‘second(e)’: * masculine: 2d * feminine: 2de

For 3 elements and above, we always use the newer word ‘deuxième’, which is abbreviated in the form of the generic ‘e’.

While that rule is optional, people who use tools like ConTeXt are likely to pay attention to that kind of details and will probably want to use it.

Finally, we have to add an ‘s’ to all the abbreviations if the plural is needed (the 1st (1ers) elements, the 2nd (2ds or 2es) elements, etc., vs the 1st (1er) element, 2nd (2d or 2e) element…).

Now, can all those subtleties be coded in a function? :)

Vincent

Bravo! Comme un professeur! Best wishes, Rudolf

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