On Tuesday, May 10, 2005 3:12 PM Taco Hoekwater wrote:

I think Hartmut is precisely right, because all is well using 1.21a. But I do not know whether there is a pdftex 1.21a for Windows anywhere.

the latest miktex has it ;-) Ulrich

On Tuesday, May 10, 2005 4:27 PM Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:

I suspect that mswincontext.zip is based on fpTeX. I have not used MiKTeX in ages; can I just use the binary or do I need some associated dll's (the way MiKTeX worked years ago)? Can you (or someone) specify a minimal set of files needed to use the MiKTeX version?

I'm sorry I've just changed from fptex to miktex. Therefore I don't know very much about miktex myself. I was forced to switch because fptex isn't developed any further by Fabrice. I'd preferred fptex because it was more tetex like than miktex. Unfortunately I'm not a programmer and don't know how to compile successfully pdftex on a windows system. But maybe you can try to run a standalone version of pdftex on http://pdftex.sarovar.org/djgpp/ (the latest sources of pdfTeX can be found at http://pdftex.sarovar.org/src). I've attached a how-to by Thanh. When you run this version it shows you a version number which should not confuse you -- it's the same as 1.21a actually. Good luck Ulrich

Ulrich Dirr wrote:

very much about miktex myself. I was forced to switch because fptex isn't developed any further by Fabrice. I'd preferred fptex because it was more tetex like than miktex. Unfortunately I'm not a programmer and don't know how to compile successfully pdftex on a windows system. But maybe you can try to run a standalone version of pdftex on http://pdftex.sarovar.org/djgpp/ (the latest sources of pdfTeX can be found at http://pdftex.sarovar.org/src). I've attached a how-to by Thanh. When you run this version it shows you a version number which should not confuse you -- it's the same as 1.21a actually.

originally tex live was built out of tetex, fptex and gwtex currently we see these three distribitions go their own way; gwtex is much more that tetex, i.e. it ships with more tex goodies and gerbens installer provides more tools as well asn an update path; fptex has become xemtex and is now an integrated environment; the gwtex binaries are mostly similar to the ones in tetex and can be used with any web2c tree, and the same is true for the binaries that ship with xemtex; there will be places to download the win binaries soon; miktex is a option for windows users as well (unless you want to share trees etc on multiple platforms) the djgpp version works ok too but is slower btw, fabrice's (fptex) tex binaries are optimized for running mp from within tex and provide a few goodies not found in other web2c variants (the new versions of texexec & texutil will no longer depend on ini files and such and will hopefully run smoothly with miktex as well as web2c variants) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:

Hi Hans,

On Tue, 10 May 2005 17:02:02 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:

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originally tex live was built out of tetex, fptex and gwtex

currently we see these three distribitions go their own way;

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What do you suggest in the short term as the easiest/best way to get the latest pdfetex working here?

just use the xemtex binaries (in your case) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

On Tue, 10 May 2005 15:11:53 +0200, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

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Hartmut may be right that this is a pdfetex problem***, but the following example makes me think there is more to it. Indeed, the following is actually more to the point of my own problem:

I think Hartmut is precisely right, because all is well using 1.21a.

I don't doubt you-) but then why does \hyphen (but not `-') protrude in the example from the original post, and not protrude in my latest example?

But I do not know whether there is a pdftex 1.21a for Windows anywhere.

\dorecurse{3}{<Sigh>}: and I have to deliver my manuscript to the sponsors in the next few days... This is really no good-( Thanks Harmut and Taco for clarifying things. Best Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523

On Tue, 10 May 2005 17:15:28 +0200, Otared Kavian wrote:

At 6:33 -0600 10/05/05, Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:

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Consider the following typescript type-test.tex and and example file hanging.tex. When TeX hyphenates the word, the dash is kerned into the margin, but when a dash is manually inserted, no kerning occurs.

Hi Idriss,

I tried both your example files on my installation (Gerben's TeX on Mac OS X and pdfeTeX, Version 3.141592-1.21a-2.2 (Web2C 7.5.4)

The latest mswincontext.zip has an older pdfetex, 1.20; this seems to be the problem. I will get the XemTeX version and test it when I get home this evening. Thanks to all for their help Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523

Hi Hans, On Tue, 10 May 2005, Hans Hagen wrote:

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The latest mswincontext.zip has an older pdfetex, 1.20; this seems to be the problem. I will get the XemTeX version and test it when I get home this evening.

that version should kern as expected

but we had a spurious protrusion problem still in the pdftex manual made by 1.20a, in the HZ demonstration section. It was caused by some uninitialized variable, was in since quite some time, fixed in 1.21a. Regards, Hartmut