Hello all, How to force column break in start\stop columns? Best, Vyatcheslav
Am 2009-04-21 um 21:46 schrieb Vyatcheslav Yatskovsky:
How to force column break in start\stop columns?
seems not possible. did you try \testpage[] ? see http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Columns and use columnsets Greetlings from Lake Constance! Hraban --- http://www.fiee.net/texnique/ http://wiki.contextgarden.net https://www.cacert.org (I'm an assurer)
Hello, I just completed a "big" project making heavy use of columnset, columnsetspan and paragraphs. Very powerful! Two questions, first: What is the real difference between columns and columnset? I am a bit confused* about their coexistence. Is this purposeful or necessary (or is it simply historical)? Is \startcolumns simply an unnamed, "default" columnset? (*and the wiki page needs to be clarified...) Second question, maybe a bug? \startitemize[columns] does not interact well: I suspect that it could or should use paragraphs internally rather than columns so as to work within a column(set). Minimal example: \starttext \startitemize[columns] \item first \item second \item third \stopitemize \startcolumns[n=2] \startitemize[columns] \item forth \item fifth \item sixth \stopitemize \column \startitemize[columns] \item seventh \item eighth \item nineth \stopitemize \stopcolumns \stoptext Gives something like: •_first_____________________•_third •_second •_forth____________________•_seventh •_fifth_____________________•_eighth •_sixth____________________•_nineth Whereas I was expecting: •_first_____________________•_third •_second •_forth__•_sixth___________•_seventh_•_nineth •_fifth_____________________•_eighth Alan
Am 17.05.2009 um 23:31 schrieb Alan BRASLAU:
Hello,
I just completed a "big" project making heavy use of columnset, columnsetspan and paragraphs. Very powerful!
Two questions, first: What is the real difference between columns and columnset? I am a bit confused* about their coexistence. Is this purposeful or necessary (or is it simply historical)? Is \startcolumns simply an unnamed, "default" columnset?
columns and columnset are two different mechanism two produce a document with text and two or more columns. the columns mechanism is the older one with limited control about the placement of figures but allows you to mix one column and multicolumns text on a page. columnsets are a new version of the column mechanism with more control about the placement of figures and other features like spanned columns etc. (look at the manual for more) and is better suited for magazine like layouts (Vit Zyka posted a few nice examples a few years ago).
(*and the wiki page needs to be clarified...)
the wiki is from users for users, feel free to correct the articles
Second question, maybe a bug? \startitemize[columns] does not interact well: I suspect that it could or should use paragraphs internally rather than columns so as to work within a column(set).
that's a limitation in tex, when you use the 'columns' key for itemize the items are typeset with a \startcolumns / \stopcolumns before and after the environment and you can nest columns /columnset environments (a tex limitation) but in normal one column text this is not the case and you can use multicolumn items in most cases (in a few cases streamlayer are necessary, e.g. within framedtext) but you can \startcolumns \startsimplecolumns \startitemize \item one \item two ... \stopitemize \stopsimplecolumns \stopcolumns Wolfgang
On Monday 18 May 2009 08:45:16 Wolfgang Schuster wrote:
Am 17.05.2009 um 23:31 schrieb Alan BRASLAU:
Two questions, first: What is the real difference between columns and columnset? I am a bit confused* about their coexistence. Is this purposeful or necessary (or is it simply historical)? Is \startcolumns simply an unnamed, "default" columnset?
columns and columnset are two different mechanism two produce a document with text and two or more columns. the columns mechanism is the older one with limited control about the placement of figures but allows you to mix one column and multicolumns text on a page. columnsets are a new version of the column mechanism with more control about the placement of figures and other features like spanned columns etc. (look at the manual for more) and is better suited for magazine like layouts (Vit Zyka posted a few nice examples a few years ago).
Great! This is somewhat what I suspected (columns mechanism is the older one). Is there good reason to keep both mechanisms? That is, does the startcolumns mechanism have advantages? Can't one mix one column and multicolumns text on a page using columnsets?
(*and the wiki page needs to be clarified...)
the wiki is from users for users, feel free to correct the articles
Of course, as soon as I feel that I understand the subject.
Second question, maybe a bug? \startitemize[columns] does not interact well: I suspect that it could or should use paragraphs internally rather than columns so as to work within a column(set).
that's a limitation in tex, when you use the 'columns' key for itemize the items are typeset with a \startcolumns / \stopcolumns before and after the environment and you can nest columns /columnset environments (a tex limitation) but in normal one column text this is not the case and you can use multicolumn items in most cases but you can
\startcolumns \startsimplecolumns \startitemize \item one \item two ... \stopitemize \stopsimplecolumns \stopcolumns
page-mul.tex ... %D Undocumented and still under development. \def\startsimplecolumns ... May I suggest that \startitemize[columns] internally use such a mechanism, perhaps when under a columns or columnset environment. Of course, this may be a bit tricky according to the following remark:
(in a few cases streamlayer are necessary, e.g. within framedtext)
Indeed! Inside framed text I used paragraphs to manually typset into columns; now I get to learn about streamlayers... Alan
Alan BRASLAU wrote:
Great! This is somewhat what I suspected (columns mechanism is the older one).
older but also conceptually different
Is there good reason to keep both mechanisms? That is, does the startcolumns mechanism have advantages? Can't one mix one column and multicolumns text on a page using columnsets?
yes, and there might be even more variants in the future as there is not one solution
May I suggest that \startitemize[columns] internally use such a mechanism, perhaps when under a columns or columnset environment. Of course, this may be a bit tricky according to the following remark:
no, the current itemize columns work nicely in the main vertical liust while simple columns are a box future mkiv versions might have better mechamisms Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
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