Am 07.06.2021 um 16:39 schrieb Hans Hagen :

Not that I know of ... but you can run wiht --keeptuc and see if there are differences in the tuc file that create some oscillation.

Ok. Each run now creates 4 additional files: file_name-tuc-02.tmp file_name-tuc-03.tmp file_name-tuc-04.tmp file_name-tuc-05.tmp Is this right? Steffen

Am 07.06.2021 um 17:59 schrieb Hans Hagen :

On 6/7/2021 5:44 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:

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Am 07.06.2021 um 16:39 schrieb Hans Hagen :

Not that I know of ... but you can run wiht --keeptuc and see if there are differences in the tuc file that create some oscillation. Ok. Each run now creates 4 additional files: file_name-tuc-02.tmp file_name-tuc-03.tmp file_name-tuc-04.tmp file_name-tuc-05.tmp Is this right? indeed and you can compare them to get some clue about what changes

normally you get one so your style somehow triggers differences

Besides plenty of numbers that differ, there are also entire lines that differ: One frequent difference for examples is line 2 (macros) and 3 (randomseed) in this: utilitydata.job.variables.collected={ ["macros"]={}, ["randomseed"]=0x1.c14cd54cp-1, ["sectionblockorder"]={ "frontpart", "bodypart", "backpart" }, Another difference that pops up 1000 times is this line ["used"]="fit", in situation like this: utilitydata.structures.references.collected={ ["02"]={ ["*101"]={ ["metadata"]=678, ["references"]={ ["block"]="bodypart", ["internal"]=102, ["prefix"]="02", ["realpage"]=16, ["reference"]="*101", ["section"]=3, ["used"]="fit", ["view"]="fit", ["x"]=25526152, ["y"]=36448045, }, }, Does this help? PS: The entire problem began when I started using hyphenation-exceptions... Steffen

Am 08.06.2021 um 15:01 schrieb Hans Hagen :

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Am 07.06.2021 um 17:59 schrieb Hans Hagen :

On 6/7/2021 5:44 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:

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Am 07.06.2021 um 16:39 schrieb Hans Hagen :

Not that I know of ... but you can run wiht --keeptuc and see if there are differences in the tuc file that create some oscillation. Ok. Each run now creates 4 additional files: file_name-tuc-02.tmp file_name-tuc-03.tmp file_name-tuc-04.tmp file_name-tuc-05.tmp Is this right? indeed and you can compare them to get some clue about what changes

normally you get one so your style somehow triggers differences Besides plenty of numbers that differ, there are also entire lines that differ: One frequent difference for examples is line 2 (macros) and 3 (randomseed) in this: utilitydata.job.variables.collected={ ["macros"]={}, ["randomseed"]=0x1.c14cd54cp-1, ["sectionblockorder"]={ "frontpart", "bodypart", "backpart" },

On 6/8/2021 12:18 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote: that randomseed should be the same between runs (unless one wipes the tuc file) so are you doing something with random?

not that I know of. I searched through both, the project folder and my modules (in context standalone), both «random» nowhere was to be found. perhaps I incidently use a command that utilizes random... what could this be?

Am 08.06.2021 um 15:30 schrieb Hans Hagen :

On 6/8/2021 3:15 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:

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perhaps I incidently use a command that utilizes random... what could this be? mwe

pardon?

On Tue, 8 Jun 2021, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:

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Am 08.06.2021 um 15:30 schrieb Hans Hagen :

On 6/8/2021 3:15 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:

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perhaps I incidently use a command that utilizes random... what could this be? mwe

http://texfaq.org/FAQ-minxampl https://tex.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/228/ive-just-been-asked-to-writ... These are latex centric advice on creating a minimal working example but broadly applicable for context as well. Aditya

On 6/8/2021 4:35 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:

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Am 08.06.2021 um 16:16 schrieb Aditya Mahajan :

On Tue, 8 Jun 2021, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:

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Am 08.06.2021 um 15:30 schrieb Hans Hagen :

On 6/8/2021 3:15 PM, Steffen Wolfrum wrote:

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perhaps I incidently use a command that utilizes random... what could this be? mwe

http://texfaq.org/FAQ-minxampl https://tex.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/228/ive-just-been-asked-to-writ...

These are latex centric advice on creating a minimal working example but broadly applicable for context as well.

Before I posted my initial posting «randomizer line-breaking» I already spent days and weeks boiling down this phenomenon. Unfortunately the random output made it impossible for me to make a smaller, but *working* (i.e. showing the bug) example. It just appears sometimes, sometimes it doesn't – in between two runs I changed nothing: «As you can imagine, I can't provide a minimal example for this, only the entire project-folder and the entire context-standalone.»

So my hope was that Hans (and Wolfgang et al.) know how things are chained together. For example: Which ConTeXt command uses randomizer? I have no idea what goes on behind my user interface. Others maybe do. Another example: The problem only appears when using start-/stopexceptions. Is there a connection between exceptions and random output on the level of low level code, maybe?

maybe you have two similar exceptions (hyphens removed), comment exceptions and see which one does the harm all the rest is guesswork Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------