\setupcaptions question

j. van den hoff

12 Feb 2015 12 Feb '15

5:37 p.m.

I want to use `numberstopper' for figure caption customization like so: \setupcaptions[numberstopper={:}] this works fine for the caption itself (i.e. I get, e.g. "Figure 1: caption text") _but_ references to the figure via a defined label such as [fig:example] in the body text do include the numberstopper, too, which is highly undesirable in my view, since, e.g., "... see Figure 1: for an example. ..." should rather read "... see Figure 1 for an example. ..." i.e. the numberstopper should be omitted (at least optionally) when referencing. question: how can this be achieved? thx/j

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Otared Kavian

12 Feb 12 Feb

10:18 p.m.

Hi Joerg, I think you are right when refering to a figure, the number stopper should not appear in the text. It seems to me that using something like \setupcaption[figure][stopper={.}] used to work in mkii and mkiv, but while it works in mkii, I just tried it with mkiv and found that it does not work as expected anymore. So it is a bug introduced recently. Probably Hans should be informed about it. Best regards: OK

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On 12 Feb 2015, at 17:37, j. van den hoff wrote:

I want to use `numberstopper' for figure caption customization like so:

\setupcaptions[numberstopper={:}]

this works fine for the caption itself (i.e. I get, e.g. "Figure 1: caption text") _but_ references to the figure via a defined label such as [fig:example] in the body text do include the numberstopper, too, which is highly undesirable in my view, since, e.g.,

"... see Figure 1: for an example. ..."

should rather read

"... see Figure 1 for an example. ..."

i.e. the numberstopper should be omitted (at least optionally) when referencing.

question: how can this be achieved?

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j. van den hoff

10:41 p.m.

On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 22:18:51 +0100, Otared Kavian wrote:

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Hi Joerg,

hi otared,

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I think you are right when refering to a figure, the number stopper should not appear in the text. It seems to me that using something like

\setupcaption[figure][stopper={.}]

used to work in mkii and mkiv, but while it works in mkii, I just tried it with mkiv and found that it does not work as expected anymore.

thanks for confirming this (I also did not know that it used to work in mkii).

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So it is a bug introduced recently. Probably Hans should be informed about it.

the canonical 'communication channel' being which? this list? bug tracker? best regards, joerg

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Best regards: OK

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On 12 Feb 2015, at 17:37, j. van den hoff wrote:

I want to use `numberstopper' for figure caption customization like so:

\setupcaptions[numberstopper={:}]

this works fine for the caption itself (i.e. I get, e.g. "Figure 1: caption text") _but_ references to the figure via a defined label such as [fig:example] in the body text do include the numberstopper, too, which is highly undesirable in my view, since, e.g.,

"... see Figure 1: for an example. ..."

should rather read

"... see Figure 1 for an example. ..."

i.e. the numberstopper should be omitted (at least optionally) when referencing.

question: how can this be achieved?

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Wolfgang Schuster

10:31 p.m.

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Am 12.02.2015 um 17:37 schrieb j. van den hoff :

I want to use `numberstopper' for figure caption customization like so:

\setupcaptions[numberstopper={:}]

this works fine for the caption itself (i.e. I get, e.g. "Figure 1: caption text") _but_ references to the figure via a defined label such as [fig:example] in the body text do include the numberstopper, too, which is highly undesirable in my view, since, e.g.,

"... see Figure 1: for an example. ..."

should rather read

"... see Figure 1 for an example. ..."

i.e. the numberstopper should be omitted (at least optionally) when referencing.

question: how can this be achieved?

Can you make a example because I can’t reproduce the problem you describe. \setupexternalfigure[location=default] \setupcaption[figure][numberstopper=:] \starttext Take a look at \at{picture}[fig:cow] below. \startplacefigure[reference=fig:cow,title=A dutch cow] \externalfigure[cow] \stopplacefigure \stoptext Wolfgang

Otared Kavian

10:56 p.m.

Hi Wolfgang, and Joerg, Actually with your code and using numberstopper instead of stopper your example works fine here, too. So the right command is \setupcaption[figure][numberstopper={:}] and not what I wrote before (which works in mkii, though…). Actually the command used by Joerg, that is \setupcaptions[numberstopper={:}] works also. Best regards: OK

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On 12 Feb 2015, at 22:31, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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Am 12.02.2015 um 17:37 schrieb j. van den hoff :

I want to use `numberstopper' for figure caption customization like so:

\setupcaptions[numberstopper={:}]

this works fine for the caption itself (i.e. I get, e.g. "Figure 1: caption text") _but_ references to the figure via a defined label such as [fig:example] in the body text do include the numberstopper, too, which is highly undesirable in my view, since, e.g.,

"... see Figure 1: for an example. ..."

should rather read

"... see Figure 1 for an example. ..."

i.e. the numberstopper should be omitted (at least optionally) when referencing.

question: how can this be achieved?

Can you make a example because I can’t reproduce the problem you describe.

\setupexternalfigure[location=default]

\setupcaption[figure][numberstopper=:]

\starttext

Take a look at \at{picture}[fig:cow] below.

\startplacefigure[reference=fig:cow,title=A dutch cow] \externalfigure[cow] \stopplacefigure

\stoptext

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j. van den hoff

11:14 p.m.

On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 22:56:11 +0100, Otared Kavian wrote:

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Hi Wolfgang, and Joerg,

Actually with your code and using numberstopper instead of stopper your example works fine here, too. So the right command is \setupcaption[figure][numberstopper={:}] and not what I wrote before (which works in mkii, though…). Actually the command used by Joerg, that is \setupcaptions[numberstopper={:}] works also.

Best regards: OK

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On 12 Feb 2015, at 22:31, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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Am 12.02.2015 um 17:37 schrieb j. van den hoff :

I want to use `numberstopper' for figure caption customization like so:

\setupcaptions[numberstopper={:}]

this works fine for the caption itself (i.e. I get, e.g. "Figure 1: caption text") _but_ references to the figure via a defined label such as [fig:example] in the body text do include the numberstopper, too, which is highly undesirable in my view, since, e.g.,

"... see Figure 1: for an example. ..."

should rather read

"... see Figure 1 for an example. ..."

i.e. the numberstopper should be omitted (at least optionally) when referencing.

question: how can this be achieved?

Can you make a example because I can’t reproduce the problem you describe.

I have done that right now (problem definitely there) but then looked at the difference between my syntax and yours. I used something like \setupexternalfigures [directory={.}] \setupcaption[width=.95\textwidth, location=bottom, numberstopper={:}] \starttext An illustration of this process is given in Fig.~\in[fig:convosim]. .... \stoptext changing the referencing to An illustration of this process is given in Fig.~\at[fig:convosim]. i.e. replacing `\in' by `\at' resolves the issue. I'm rather new to context and was under the impression that `\in' is the context equivalent of latex's \ref and was not aware of \at at all. but this seems only partly true. can you give me a pointer where best to look up the differences between `\in' and `\at'? so it seems I need to use \at for referencing figures, at least when numberstopper is not empty? ok, so be it .... and thanks a lot for responding and straightening this out. best, joerg

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\setupexternalfigure[location=default]

\setupcaption[figure][numberstopper=:]

\starttext

Take a look at \at{picture}[fig:cow] below.

\startplacefigure[reference=fig:cow,title=A dutch cow] \externalfigure[cow] \stopplacefigure

\stoptext

Wolfgang

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Wolfgang Schuster

13 Feb 13 Feb

4:54 a.m.

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Am 12.02.2015 um 23:14 schrieb j. van den hoff :

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On 12 Feb 2015, at 22:31, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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Am 12.02.2015 um 17:37 schrieb j. van den hoff :

I want to use `numberstopper' for figure caption customization like so:

\setupcaptions[numberstopper={:}]

this works fine for the caption itself (i.e. I get, e.g. "Figure 1: caption text") _but_ references to the figure via a defined label such as [fig:example] in the body text do include the numberstopper, too, which is highly undesirable in my view, since, e.g.,

"... see Figure 1: for an example. ..."

should rather read

"... see Figure 1 for an example. ..."

i.e. the numberstopper should be omitted (at least optionally) when referencing.

question: how can this be achieved?

Can you make a example because I can’t reproduce the problem you describe.

I have done that right now (problem definitely there) but then looked at the difference between my syntax and yours. I used something like

\setupexternalfigures [directory={.}] \setupcaption[width=.95\textwidth, location=bottom, numberstopper={:}]

\starttext An illustration of this process is given in Fig.~\in[fig:convosim]. .... \stoptext

changing the referencing to

An illustration of this process is given in Fig.~\at[fig:convosim].

i.e. replacing `\in' by `\at' resolves the issue. I'm rather new to context and was under the impression that `\in' is the context equivalent of latex's \ref and was not aware of \at at all. but this seems only partly true. can you give me a pointer where best to look up the differences between `\in' and `\at'?

so it seems I need to use \at for referencing figures, at least when numberstopper is not empty? ok, so be it ....

No, you’re right. I used the wrong command (\at is used to show the page where to float was placed) and so far there is only a workaround for this problem. What you can do is to use the “suffix” key to set a stopper for the caption which will only appear in the caption itself. \setupexternalfigure[location=default] \setupcaption[figure][suffix=:] \starttext Take a look at \in{picture}[fig:cow] below. \startplacefigure[reference=fig:cow,title=A dutch cow] \externalfigure[cow] \stopplacefigure \stoptext This solution is far from perfect because normally the suffix key is used for the internal counter of split floats, e.g. when a numbered table is split over several tables and you get numbers label „Table 3.a” etc. Wolfgang

j. van den hoff

8:53 a.m.

On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 04:54:58 +0100, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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No, you’re right. I used the wrong command (\at is used to show the page where to float was placed)

understood.

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and so far there is only a workaround for this problem. What you can do

OK, does this require some sort of formal bug report or can the issue be now considered to be on the "to do" list?

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is to use the “suffix” key to set a stopper for the caption which will only appear in the caption itself. \setupexternalfigure[location=default] \setupcaption[figure][suffix=:] \starttext Take a look at \in{picture}[fig:cow] below. \startplacefigure[reference=fig:cow,title=A dutch cow] \externalfigure[cow] \stopplacefigure \stoptext This solution is far from perfect because normally the suffix key is used for the internal counter of split floats, e.g. when a numbered table is split over several tables and you get numbers label „Table 3.a” etc.

I see. I think workaround will suffice for the present document, thank you. I will do that (and hope for a timely fix so that I can revert to numberstopper soon...) regards, joerg

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Wolfgang Schuster

10 Mar 10 Mar

1:06 p.m.

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Am 13.02.2015 um 08:53 schrieb j. van den hoff :

On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 04:54:58 +0100, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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No, you’re right. I used the wrong command (\at is used to show the page where to float was placed)

understood.

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and so far there is only a workaround for this problem. What you can do

OK, does this require some sort of formal bug report or can the issue be now considered to be on the "to do" list?

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is to use the “suffix” key to set a stopper for the caption which will only appear in the caption itself. \setupexternalfigure[location=default] \setupcaption[figure][suffix=:] \starttext Take a look at \in{picture}[fig:cow] below. \startplacefigure[reference=fig:cow,title=A dutch cow] \externalfigure[cow] \stopplacefigure \stoptext This solution is far from perfect because normally the suffix key is used for the internal counter of split floats, e.g. when a numbered table is split over several tables and you get numbers label „Table 3.a” etc.

I see. I think workaround will suffice for the present document, thank you. I will do that (and hope for a timely fix so that I can revert to numberstopper soon…)

The new beta let you change the stopper symbol which is shown in the reference, to disable the stopper you have to use “numberstopper={\symbol[none]}”. \setupexternalfigure[location=default] \setupcaption[figure][numberstopper=:] \setupreferencestructureprefix[figure][default][numberstopper={\symbol[none]}] \starttext Take a look at \in{picture}[fig:cow] below. \startplacefigure[reference=fig:cow,title=A dutch cow] \externalfigure[cow] \stopplacefigure \stoptext Wolfgang

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