Dear gang, [mkiv only] What is the best available math font for use with Pagella/Palatino? [Hint: it's not LM] I had to roll my own typescript so what I need to fill in is the commented line below \definetypeface [pagella_ar] [rm] [serif] [pagella_arabic] % [pagella_arabic] % \definetypeface [pagella_ar] [mm] [math] [palatino] [default] Uncommenting the above gives me an incomplete math font that does not look good. Any ideas on getting this right? Is there an otf euler option? Best wishes Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shi`i Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523
On Wed, 17 Jun 2009, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote:
Dear gang, [mkiv only]
What is the best available math font for use with Pagella/Palatino?
The math fonts compatible with Palatino are px math and math paza ConTeXt only has support for px math.
[Hint: it's not LM] I had to roll my own typescript so what I need to fill in is the commented line below
\definetypeface [pagella_ar] [rm] [serif] [pagella_arabic] % [pagella_arabic] % \definetypeface [pagella_ar] [mm] [math] [palatino] [default]
Uncommenting the above gives me an incomplete math font
Currently, no math font in mkiv is "complete". Which specific glyphs are missing for you? The easiest opiton is to use asana math, which is an otf math font based on px fonts. \starttypescript [math] [asana] [name] \definefontsynonym [MathRoman] [name:Asana-Math] [features=math\mathsizesuffix] \stoptypescript and then \definetypeface [pagella_ar] [mm] [math] [asana] [default]
that does not look good. Any ideas on getting this right?
I also find px math ugly (although I did use it for my thesis). math pazo is not much better, it uses most of the symbols from cm. There is a commerical math from micropress that is supposed to be compatible with palatino, but I have never used it myself.
Is there an otf euler option?
No. Also keep in mind that euler is no where close to being a complete math font. Mkii used a virtual font that took missing symbols from px math and cm. I have a local half baked support for Euler, which uses missing symbols from iwona. I can send the patch if you want to experiment with it. Aditya
Is there an otf euler option?
No. Also keep in mind that euler is no where close to being a complete math font. Mkii used a virtual font that took missing symbols from px math and cm.
I have a local half baked support for Euler, which uses missing symbols from iwona. I can send the patch if you want to experiment with it.
I would love that as well. Is it on the wiki? Johan
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On Thu, 18 Jun 2009, Johan Sandblom wrote:
Is there an otf euler option?
No. Also keep in mind that euler is no where close to being a complete math font. Mkii used a virtual font that took missing symbols from px math and cm.
I have a local half baked support for Euler, which uses missing symbols from iwona. I can send the patch if you want to experiment with it.
I would love that as well. Is it on the wiki?
http://github.com/adityam/context-math/commit/ba9c49b5ac7c19900d851c1bcbbde5... Keep in mind that this is/was an experiment. I am still trying to understand how to create virtual fonts on the fly. In order to use this, you need \starttypescript [math][euler][all] \definefontsynonym[MathRoman][euler@euler-math] \loadmapfile[original-ams-euler.map] \loadmapfile[iwona-ex.map] \loadmapfile[iwona-sy.map] \stoptypescript then \definetypescript[whatever][mm][euler][default][text=rm] Aditya
Hi Aditya,
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 02:03:44 -0600, Aditya Mahajan
The math fonts compatible with Palatino are px math and math paza ConTeXt only has support for px math.
ok, good to know... [I rarely use math these past few years]
[Hint: it's not LM] I had to roll my own typescript so what I need to fill in is the commented line below
\definetypeface [pagella_ar] [rm] [serif] [pagella_arabic] % [pagella_arabic] % \definetypeface [pagella_ar] [mm] [math] [palatino] [default]
Uncommenting the above gives me an incomplete math font
Currently, no math font in mkiv is "complete". Which specific glyphs are missing for you?
\alpha
The easiest opiton is to use asana math, which is an otf math font based on px fonts.
\starttypescript [math] [asana] [name] \definefontsynonym [MathRoman] [name:Asana-Math] [features=math\mathsizesuffix] \stoptypescript
and then
\definetypeface [pagella_ar] [mm] [math] [asana] [default]
LuaTeX warning (file C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-project/fonts/data/asana/Asana-Math.otf): Type2 Charstring Parser: Unknown charstring operator: 0x00 !LuaTeX error (file C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-project/fonts/data/asana/Asana-Math.otf): Type2 Charstring Parser: Parsing charstring failed: (status=-1, stack=0) ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced! Have any of you run into this before? If this is a showstopper, then a fallback will have to do. Have any of you made fallbacks for math fonts? Are there any subtleties compared to regular fonts? What is the unicode slot for math \alpha?
that does not look good. Any ideas on getting this right?
I also find px math ugly (although I did use it for my thesis). math pazo is not much better, it uses most of the symbols from cm. There is a commerical math from micropress that is supposed to be compatible with palatino, but I have never used it myself.
Is there an otf euler option?
No. Also keep in mind that euler is no where close to being a complete math font. Mkii used a virtual font that took missing symbols from px math and cm.
I have a local half baked support for Euler, which uses missing symbols from iwona. I can send the patch if you want to experiment with it.
Thanks! time is very short, although I like Euler and think it would work for palatino... maybe we need to get the gyre people on it for the future:-) Best wishes Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shi`i Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote:
The easiest opiton is to use asana math, which is an otf math font based on px fonts.
\starttypescript [math] [asana] [name] \definefontsynonym [MathRoman] [name:Asana-Math] [features=math\mathsizesuffix] \stoptypescript
and then
\definetypeface [pagella_ar] [mm] [math] [asana] [default]
LuaTeX warning (file C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-project/fonts/data/asana/Asana-Math.otf): Type2 Charstring Parser: Unknown charstring operator: 0x00
!LuaTeX error (file C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-project/fonts/data/asana/Asana-Math.otf): Type2 Charstring Parser: Parsing charstring failed: (status=-1, stack=0) ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!
Have any of you run into this before?
No. I am using the minimals from 2009.05.26, and asana math works fine. Are you using the latest version of the font from http://openfontlibrary.org/media/files/asyropoulos/219
If this is a showstopper, then a fallback will have to do. Have any of you made fallbacks for math fonts? Are there any subtleties compared to regular fonts? What is the unicode slot for math \alpha?
Basic greek should work in math. I cannot get the latest minimals right now (slow internet connection), but px math and lm math use the same code to generate virtual fonts, so px math should work in the latest minimals. Aditya
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 10:06:07 -0600, Aditya Mahajan
LuaTeX warning (file C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-project/fonts/data/asana/Asana-Math.otf): Type2 Charstring Parser: Unknown charstring operator: 0x00
!LuaTeX error (file C:/ConTeXt/tex/texmf-project/fonts/data/asana/Asana-Math.otf): Type2 Charstring Parser: Parsing charstring failed: (status=-1, stack=0) ==> Fatal error occurred, no output PDF file produced!
Have any of you run into this before?
No. I am using the minimals from 2009.05.26, and asana math works fine. Are you using the latest version of the font from http://openfontlibrary.org/media/files/asyropoulos/219
seems the same date as http://www.ctan.org/get/fonts/Asana-Math/Asana-Math.otf + This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.41.0-2009061016 I reported this to Taco so we'll see what he says...
If this is a showstopper, then a fallback will have to do. Have any of you made fallbacks for math fonts? Are there any subtleties compared to regular fonts? What is the unicode slot for math \alpha?
Basic greek should work in math. I cannot get the latest minimals right now (slow internet connection), but px math and lm math use the same code to generate virtual fonts, so px math should work in the latest minimals.
Using the predefined [mm] [math] [palatino] You can test these formulas in px-math: \starttext \startformula Y=AK^{\alpha{}}L^{1-\alpha{}} \eqno(1) \stopformula \startformula y-l=a+\alpha(k-l) \eqno(2) \stopformula \startformula a = (y-l) - \alpha{} (k-l) \eqno(3) \stopformula \startformula A = (3-7)-(0.3) (5-3) = 3.4 \stopformula \alpha{} \stoptext Best wishes Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shi`i Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009, Idris Samawi Hamid ادريس سماوي حامد wrote:
Basic greek should work in math. I cannot get the latest minimals right now (slow internet connection), but px math and lm math use the same code to generate virtual fonts, so px math should work in the latest minimals.
Using the predefined
[mm] [math] [palatino]
You can test these formulas in px-math:
\starttext \startformula Y=AK^{\alpha{}}L^{1-\alpha{}} \eqno(1) \stopformula
\startformula y-l=a+\alpha(k-l) \eqno(2) \stopformula
\startformula a = (y-l) - \alpha{} (k-l) \eqno(3) \stopformula
\startformula A = (3-7)-(0.3) (5-3) = 3.4 \stopformula
\alpha{} \stoptext
I see. There is indeed something wrong with both px-math and tx-math, but I cannot see why it is behaving differently. In math-vfu.lua, if you replace pxmi.tfm with lmmi10.tfm and regenerate formats, greek in math works, so it is something specific with the font. Hans, Taco: Any idea what is happening here? Minimal test file \usetypescript[palatino] \setupbodyfont[palatino] \starttext $\alpha \beta$ \stoptext Idris: For greek outside the math mode, you should use \greekalpha etc, which works with palatino. Aditya
Idris Samawi Hamid ????? ????? ???? wrote:
http://www.ctan.org/get/fonts/Asana-Math/Asana-Math.otf
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This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.41.0-2009061016
I reported this to Taco so we'll see what he says...
That version of Asana works for me with a small test file, using This is LuaTeX, Version beta-0.41.0-2009061815 (Web2C 2009) but it could be a problem with a specific glyph, so can you send a minimal test file? Best wishes, Taco
On Thu, 18 Jun 2009 02:03:44 -0600, Aditya Mahajan
What is the best available math font for use with Pagella/Palatino?
The math fonts compatible with Palatino are px math and math paza ConTeXt only has support for px math.
Turns out that cambria is preset in mkiv and works, so I'll use that for now. I filed a report about the asana error so hopefully that will be solved as well. [I use math so little I had completely forgotten about cambria]. Thanks, Aditya! Best wishes Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid, Editor-in-Chief International Journal of Shi`i Studies Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523
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