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Martin Oppegaard

9 Jun 2017 9 Jun '17

5:05 a.m.

Hi, When placing an initial and the paragraph is short, the initial is laid over the next paragraph. Example: \starttext \placeinitial Knuth writes: \input knuth \stoptext Is there anything to do about this? Regards, Martin Oppegaard

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Henri Menke

20 Jun 20 Jun

9:46 a.m.

On Fri, 2017-06-09 at 06:05 +0100, Martin Oppegaard wrote:

Hi,

When placing an initial and the paragraph is short, the initial is laid over the next paragraph. Example:

\starttext \placeinitial Knuth writes:

\input knuth \stoptext

Is there anything to do about this?

- Make longer paragraphs. - Don't use initials. What kind of answer do you expect?

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Rogers, Michael K

4:06 p.m.

Hi, Perhaps this?: \starttext \placeinitial Knuth writes: \hfill\break \input knuth \stoptext There may be a more ConTeXt-idiomatic way, in which case someone else will probably say. Note that structurally the above combines "Knuth writes:" and the first text segment (up to the first blank line or \par) of knuth.tex into a single paragraph with some glue and a break between them. You would lose any paragraph-formatting of the first segment of knuth.tex. If there is any, you might have to do that by hand. If you wanted to have the Knuth quote begin below the initial K, then someone else will have to answer. I don't know off hand. Cheers, Michael

On Jun 8, 2017, at 10:05 PM, Martin Oppegaard wrote:

Hi,

When placing an initial and the paragraph is short, the initial is laid over the next paragraph. Example:

\starttext \placeinitial Knuth writes:

\input knuth \stoptext

Is there anything to do about this?

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Pablo Rodriguez

5:51 p.m.

On 06/09/2017 07:05 AM, Martin Oppegaard wrote:

Hi,

When placing an initial and the paragraph is short, the initial is laid over the next paragraph. Example:

\starttext \placeinitial Knuth writes:

\input knuth \stoptext

Is there anything to do about this?

Hi Martin, I guess initials make sense only when used inside a paragraph. It is problematic when you have white space defined. Having margin initials is also another approach. You may compare both with the following sample: \setupwhitespace[medium] \setupinitial[location=margin] \starttext \placeinitial Knuth writes: \input knuth \setupinitial[location=text] \placeinitial Knuth writes:\\ \input knuth \stoptext I hope it helps, Pablo -- http://www.ousia.tk

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Martin Oppegaard

8:15 p.m.

Thanks for the suggestions! Is there a way to get the amount of horizontal space the initial takes so that can be put in manually in front of the next paragraph? On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 6:51 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:

On 06/09/2017 07:05 AM, Martin Oppegaard wrote:

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Hi,

When placing an initial and the paragraph is short, the initial is laid over the next paragraph. Example:

\starttext \placeinitial Knuth writes:

\input knuth \stoptext

Is there anything to do about this?

Hi Martin,

I guess initials make sense only when used inside a paragraph. It is problematic when you have white space defined.

Having margin initials is also another approach. You may compare both with the following sample:

\setupwhitespace[medium] \setupinitial[location=margin] \starttext \placeinitial Knuth writes:

\input knuth \setupinitial[location=text] \placeinitial Knuth writes:\\ \input knuth \stoptext

I hope it helps,

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Pablo Rodriguez

8:45 p.m.

On 06/20/2017 10:15 PM, Martin Oppegaard wrote:

Thanks for the suggestions! Is there a way to get the amount of horizontal space the initial takes so that can be put in manually in front of the next paragraph?

Martin, how about making the initial transparent? \definecolor[transparentblue][t=0, a=1] \setupwhitespace[medium] \starttext \placeinitial Knuth writes: \placeinitial \starteffect[hidden]K\stopeffect\input knuth \setupinitial[color=transparentblue] \placeinitial K\input knuth \stoptext The sample contains two methods. Just in case it helps, Pablo -- http://www.ousia.tk

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Martin Oppegaard

24 Jun 24 Jun

11:33 a.m.

Thank you, I think I can make something with this. On Tue, Jun 20, 2017 at 9:45 PM, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:

On 06/20/2017 10:15 PM, Martin Oppegaard wrote:

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Thanks for the suggestions! Is there a way to get the amount of horizontal space the initial takes so that can be put in manually in front of the next paragraph?

Martin,

how about making the initial transparent?

\definecolor[transparentblue][t=0, a=1] \setupwhitespace[medium] \starttext \placeinitial Knuth writes:

\placeinitial \starteffect[hidden]K\stopeffect\input knuth \setupinitial[color=transparentblue]

\placeinitial K\input knuth \stoptext

The sample contains two methods.

Just in case it helps,

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