Bonjour Jean-Philippe Thank you for your response. That sounds very promising. I don’t remember why I didn’t use natural tables when I’ve started setting things up for this journal. I think I’d might have had something to do with tables that break across pages. (At least, this is what https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Tables_Overview currently says: extremetables are said to be better when page breaking is involved.) Have you ever noticed problems in that area? Best, Denis Von: Jean-Philippe Rey Gesendet: Samstag, 27. November 2021 17:36 An: mailing list for ConTeXt users Cc: Maier, Denis Christian (UB) Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Have a cell span multiple columns with tabulate Dear Denis, Le 27 nov. 2021 à 13:25, Denis Maier via ntg-context mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl> a écrit : Hi, I’m using tabulate for parallel texts (source and translation next to each other). The top of each table should consist of only one cell covering both columns with centered content. Is that possible? A HTML equivalent will look roughly like this: <table> <tr> <th colspan="2">Manuscript XY </th> </tr> <tr> <td>Some text in Greek or Hebrew or whatever</td> <td>This is the translation</td> </tr> </table> With ConteXt I’d like to do something like this \starttabulate[|p(1.2cm)|p(1.2cm)|] \NC Manuscript XY \NR \NC Some text in Greek or Hebrew or whatever \NC This is the translation \NC \NR \stoptabulate This compiles (interestingly?), but the cells at the top aren’t merged. Any ideas ? I know that natural tables offer more in this regard, but those seem not to be so well suited for parallel texts. I switched to natural tables a long time ago and that's how I would do it: \starttext \bTABLE[width=8cm, frame=off] \setupTABLE[c][1][roffset=0.5em] \setupTABLE[c][2][loffset=0.5em] \bTR \bTD[nc=2, align=center, bottomframe=on] Manuscript XY \eTD \eTR\bTR \bTD Some text in Greek or Hebrew or whatever. The text can comprise multiple paragraphs. Or even lists and other goodies : \startitemize[intro, packed] \item first item \item second item \stopitemize \eTD\bTD This is the translation \eTD \eTR \eTABLE \stoptext I haven't seen drawbacks with parallel texts (yet) and I found natural tables very flexible. Hope it helps, -- Jean-Philippe Rey jean-philippe.rey@centralesupelec.frmailto:jean-philippe.rey@centralesupelec.fr 91192 Gif-sur-Yvette Cedex - France Empreinte PGP : 807A 5B2C 69E4 D4B5 783A 428A 1B5E E83E 261B BF51

Von: Wolfgang Schuster Gesendet: Samstag, 27. November 2021 18:11 An: mailing list for ConTeXt users ; Denis Maier via ntg-context Cc: jean-philippe.rey@centralesupelec.fr; Maier, Denis Christian (UB) Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Have a cell span multiple columns with tabulate Denis Maier via ntg-context schrieb am 27.11.2021 um 17:45: Bonjour Jean-Philippe Thank you for your response. That sounds very promising. I don’t remember why I didn’t use natural tables when I’ve started setting things up for this journal. I think I’d might have had something to do with tables that break across pages. (At least, this is what https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Tables_Overview currently says: extremetables are said to be better when page breaking is involved.) Have you ever noticed problems in that area? Hans added a short while ago a span feature to tabulate but it works only for simple tables (e.g. single line cells). You mean every cell has to be a single line cell? Or the ones where this span features applies ? That would be enough for me – at least ATM. How does that feature work? I couldn’t find information about it. A big feature of tabulate is that cells can be split at page breaks while cells in natural tables and extreme tables are limited to a single page. Yes, that sounds like the reason for using tabulate back then. Wolfgang

Am 27.11.21 um 21:49 schrieb Denis Maier via ntg-context:

Hans added a short while ago a span feature to tabulate but it works only for simple tables (e.g. single line cells).

You mean every cell has to be a single line cell? Or the ones where this span features applies ? That would be enough for me – at least ATM.

How does that feature work? I couldn’t find information about it.

Now it’s documented: https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Tabulate Hraban

Ok, did some tests: Now I understand what was meant with the limitation that this only supports single line cells: %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% \starttext % this works \starttabulate[|l|l|] \NS[1][c] Manuskript X \NC\NR \NC foo \NC bar \NC\NR \stoptabulate % this does not work \starttabulate[|p|p|] \NS[1][c] Manuskript X \NC\NR \NC foo \NC bar \NC\NR \stoptabulate \stoptext %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% Changing the column definitions from l,c,r to p breaks it. Denis

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Thanks, Hraban. That's really helpful. I'll have a look at this feature.

Denis

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Am 27.11.21 um 21:49 schrieb Denis Maier via ntg-context:

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Hans added a short while ago a span feature to tabulate but it works only for simple tables (e.g. single line cells).

You mean every cell has to be a single line cell? Or the ones where this span features applies ? That would be enough for me – at least ATM.

How does that feature work? I couldn’t find information about it.

Now it’s documented: https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Tabulate

Hraban

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Denis, I have used natural tables that span multiple pages. However, if I am right, each row must be contained on a single page. That may be an issue depending on your use cases. Best,

Le 27 nov. 2021 à 17:45, denis.maier@unibe.ch a écrit :

Bonjour Jean-Philippe

Thank you for your response. That sounds very promising. I don’t remember why I didn’t use natural tables when I’ve started setting things up for this journal. I think I’d might have had something to do with tables that break across pages. (At least, this is whathttps://wiki.contextgarden.net/Tables_Overview https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Tables_Overview currently says: extremetables are said to be better when page breaking is involved.) Have you ever noticed problems in that area?

Best, Denis

Von: Jean-Philippe Rey Gesendet: Samstag, 27. November 2021 17:36 An: mailing list for ConTeXt users Cc: Maier, Denis Christian (UB) Betreff: Re: [NTG-context] Have a cell span multiple columns with tabulate

Dear Denis,

Le 27 nov. 2021 à 13:25, Denis Maier via ntg-context mailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl> a écrit :

Hi,

I’m using tabulate for parallel texts (source and translation next to each other). The top of each table should consist of only one cell covering both columns with centered content. Is that possible?

A HTML equivalent will look roughly like this:

<table> <tr> <th colspan="2">Manuscript XY </th> </tr> <tr> <td>Some text in Greek or Hebrew or whatever</td> <td>This is the translation</td> </tr> </table>

With ConteXt I’d like to do something like this

\starttabulate[|p(1.2cm)|p(1.2cm)|] \NC Manuscript XY \NR \NC Some text in Greek or Hebrew or whatever \NC This is the translation \NC \NR \stoptabulate

This compiles (interestingly?), but the cells at the top aren’t merged.

Any ideas ?

I know that natural tables offer more in this regard, but those seem not to be so well suited for parallel texts.

I switched to natural tables a long time ago and that's how I would do it:

\starttext \bTABLE[width=8cm, frame=off] \setupTABLE[c][1][roffset=0.5em] \setupTABLE[c][2][loffset=0.5em] \bTR \bTD[nc=2, align=center, bottomframe=on] Manuscript XY \eTD \eTR\bTR \bTD Some text in Greek or Hebrew or whatever.

The text can comprise multiple paragraphs. Or even lists and other goodies : \startitemize[intro, packed] \item first item \item second item \stopitemize \eTD\bTD This is the translation \eTD \eTR \eTABLE \stoptext

I haven't seen drawbacks with parallel texts (yet) and I found natural tables very flexible.

Hope it helps,

-- Jean-Philippe Rey jean-philippe.rey@centralesupelec.fr mailto:jean-philippe.rey@centralesupelec.fr 91192 Gif-sur-Yvette Cedex - France Empreinte PGP : 807A 5B2C 69E4 D4B5 783A 428A 1B5E E83E 261B BF51

-- Jean-Philippe Rey jean-philippe.rey@centralesupelec.fr mailto:jean-philippe.rey@centralesupelec.fr 91192 Gif-sur-Yvette Cedex - France Empreinte PGP : 807A 5B2C 69E4 D4B5 783A 428A 1B5E E83E 261B BF51