On Mon, 31 May 2004, Patrick Gundlach wrote:

\setupinteraction[title=Übung,Author=Münster]

Thanks, I missed those keys in the manual. Ü is still not working, perhaps I should update to ConTeXt-2004.4.9 ? It seems, that there is no key named "keywords" ?

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\pdfdest num 1 fitbh % I would like to get the same result as in LaTeX with % \hypersetup{pdfstartview={FitBH}}

what does this do?

FitBH means, fit to width of bounding box. When reading text on the screen, the combination of FullScreen and FitBH seems to me optimal. When you create a pdf-file of the following LaTeX-source (with pdflatex), you see all features, I'm looking for: \documentclass{article} \usepackage[latin1]{inputenc} \usepackage{hyperref} \hypersetup{pdfstartview=FitBH,pdfpagemode=FullScreen, pdfauthor={Peter Münster},pdftitle={A title},pdfsubject={The subject}, pdfkeywords={some keywords}} \begin{document} \section{Section with ö, with bookmark} bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla bla \end{document} BTW, how do you create bookmarks with ConTeXt? I tried the following, but it did not work: \setupoutput[pdftex] \enableregime[il1] \setupinteraction[state=start,menu=on] \setupinteractionmenu[left][state=start] \setupinteractionscreen[option=bookmark] \starttext \section{Section with ö} some text \stoptext Cheers, Peter -- http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ _____________________________________ FilmSearch engine: http://f-s.sf.net/

At 14:53 31/05/2004, Patrick Gundlach wrote

a quick test shows that /Author (M¸nster) is put in the pdf file, where the Character after the M is 0xfc. Dunno if this is right.

dunno either but it is supposed to be in the proper encoding (unicode or pdfdoc) btw, using \pdf... primitives is a bad idea

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It seems, that there is no key named "keywords" ?

Hans?

it's 'keyword' (e.g. keyword={a,b,c}) for patrick (added to setupb/setupinteraction): \variable[\c!trefwoord][\c!text!][] Hans

Hi out there,

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It seems, that there is no key named "keywords" ?

it's 'keyword' (e.g. keyword={a,b,c})

for patrick (added to setupb/setupinteraction):

\variable[\c!trefwoord][\c!text!][]

Thanks. I have added this in texshow-web[1] now. Anybody can change the definition now by editing the xml source. More info soon. Patrick (thinking about creating a ConTeXt wiki, see same page as below, just port number 8062) [1] http://members.ping.de:8061/

Hello Holger and everybody,

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[starting ConTeXt wiki at] http://members.ping.de:8062/

Finde ich eine gute Idee! Was mir (neben der Hilfe auf auf der Liste für neue Probleme) am meisten bringt, und ich bisher etwas vermisse, sind Beispiel-Dokumente (genauer: deren Quellcode). [missing example documents and sources]

What kind of example documents do you think of? I guess that you know that the magazines on the main ConTeXt site have their source code included? Patrick

Hello Holger,

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[starting ConTeXt wiki at] http://members.ping.de:8062/

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What kind of example documents do you think of? I guess that you know that the magazines on the main ConTeXt site have their source code included?

I was thinking of all kinds of day-to-day documents, like the letter template I mentioned. I could not find one according to DIN-standards, so I did some trial-and-error experiments and created my own.

What were the difficulties you ran into?

Arguments for a collection could be:

1) Perhaps a comprehensive and classified collection of sample documents could spare others such time consuming trials.

a) it is impossible to have a comprehensive collection of documents. There are too many faces ConTeXt has. b) It is hard to classify the documents. Two possibilities: 1) layout trickery macro hacking itemize weirdness crazy table fun or 2) letters articles poems magazines/newspaper Any other? Which one makes sense?

2) On the other hand, my template could for sure be further improved (beyond the level, I am capable of), so by putting it on a WIKI, I may get hints and feedback by others.

Yes, that would be a great thing. This is actually the reason why I started this wiki (and texshow-web).

What was your motivation for mentioning such a collection on the WIKI?

Every 4 months this question arises on this mailinglist. (Not really true).

Another advantage of the WIKI would be the following: I am often lost, when I try to remember, where I found a certain hint/trick/technique I am remembering. If there is a place where everyone can edit pages and include hints or links to information, then there would be no need to create more and more separate web sites about ConTeXt, because the content could be placed in the WIKI, or it could at least be linked from there.

And (the best part!) there is a search field in the wiki. So if you have important information there, get it in a few seconds. But it is up to every user to add things to the wiki. Patrick

Hi Matt,

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b) It is hard to classify the documents. Two possibilities:

Yes, it is hard to classify them (and many other things) if you insist on forcing them into a single, canonical hierarchy.

Oh, I don't insist on anything; I just don't have clue how to start...

But what if you classified documents on the basis of keywords, or key phrases? Then visitors could either search based on those phrases or browse a keyword index.

Of course, that assumes your Wiki software has some means of managing metadata.

As far as I can see, it doesn't. But putting keywords on the pages could help.

And you could just make some arbitrary decisions about what materials should be included and how to classify them. Even a very imperfect collection would be more helpful than none.

Probably true.

And if people don't like your collection, tell them to start their own. Isn't that what the Web is all about?

Right. Easy to change everything. Patrick -- texshow-web: http://members.ping.de:8061 ConTeXt wiki: http://members.ping.de:8062

Le 22 juin 04, à 19:13, jimarin@bayesinf.com a écrit :

the idea of the keywords is very nice... in http://wiki.tcl.tk you can search for a specific page using the url

yes! it's the best exemple I know about! No need to define a strict hierchical structure. Also, this could be the url for hight level FAQ (this forum it not realy a hight level forum!) - how about ConTeXt future (why it is not open source?) - which/where is the reference documentation (don't reply with some recursive answer!) - how many euro poeple would pay for a reference ConTeXt book? I know these questions has been answered somewhere, and some days ago, But I know that because I have followed this mailing list for months. But I'm not sure I'm able to find these without asking to this list!

like in

http://wiki.tcl.tk/file

even more, you can search all pages containing a word like in:

http://wiki.tcl.tk/menu*

perhaps it could be copied for ConTeXt wiki...don´t know how tclers do theirs, but I guess they use tcl and they more or less can give some advice.

Just some thoughts.

Cheers,

Jose Ignacio

-- Maurice Diamantini http://www.ensta.fr/~diam

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- how about ConTeXt future (why it is not open source?)

It is open source, even free software. You can go ahead and change everything yourself. Pragma ADE has licenced this impressive and valuable macro package under the terms of the GNU Public License (GPL)! This is really great! (See mreadme.pdf for details.)

The document mreadme.pdf contains just the text "in the spirit of the GNU general public licence". Do you think the "spirit of GPL" is the GPL itself? Greetings, Bence

Hello, Maurice Diamantin wrote:

- how about ConTeXt future (why it is not open source?)

Well, ConTeXt is regarded as opensource. The last time I read the licence it looked pretty free. In how far do you think should ConTeXt become more "open source"? BSD licence without advertising clause? LGPL? Note that teTeX comes with this licence statement by Thomas Esser ("doc/context/base/LICENSE.teTeX"): "I have taken great care to ensure that teTeX is free software. When speaking about free software, I always refer to the definition of the Free Software Foundation, given as http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/free-sw.html. To my understanding, ConTeXt with the mreadme.pdf-license already classifies as free software (as defined by the FSF). To be 100% sure of this fact, I hereby make ConTeXt free software "by definition" by adding the following clause to ConTeXt's license: If ConTeXt is not free software by the license in mreadme.pdf, the following terms replace the licence for ConTeXt given in mreadme.pdf: This program is free software; you can redistribute it and/or modify it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by the Free Software Foundation; either version 2 of the License, or (at your option) any later version.[...]"

- which/where is the reference documentation (don't reply with some recursive answer!)

Hmm, the problem is that the documentation is* notoriously outdated and incomplete. But I think the "ConTeXt - the manual" is rather good though incomplete. *

- how many euro poeple would pay for a reference ConTeXt book?

You mean a printed version of the revised/enhanced "ConTeXt - a manual"? Regards, Tobias

Hi,

But as Open Source, I also (by mistake) mean a SourceForge projet from which: - an **unique** starting URL.

www.pragma-ade.com

- dated version would be available,

http://www.pragma-ade.com/download.htm

- current official documentation (I didn't mean "documentationsssssssssss")

Well, ConTeXt is too complicated to have all aspects in one book.

- access (via links) to to any other information (pragma, wiki, ...)

http://www.pragma-ade.com/links.htm

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- which/where is the reference documentation (don't reply with some recursive answer!)

Hmm, the problem is that the documentation is* notoriously outdated and incomplete. But I think the "ConTeXt - the manual" is rather good though incomplete.

Yes I agree that "ConTeXt - the manual" is **the** currently reference manual. As such, it should probably be a more or less maintained an uptodate (but not as other said "uptodate" context documents :-) version.

I agree with you there. The documentation should be updated a bit and put togehter. The uptodate manuals should go into different manuals and vanish, since they are not uptodate anymore (perhaps they are uptodate, but the date is behind). [...] Talking about a sourceforge project. I guess that Hans would still keep his ConTeXt distribution private (at PRAGMA ADE [btw. what is the correct way to write your company's name?]) and not care very much about any other SF project (as long as it does not get into his way), but would be very reluctant giving support for the different project. Once an tool is necessary for your everyday work, it is a bad thing to give it out of your control. If you need a SF project, make one (actually, there is one as I have been told). But keep in mind that you should follow the license restrictions in mreadme.pdf *and* you have to do all by yourself, since most people here (I guess) are happy the way it is now. Patrick -- texshow-web: http://members.ping.de:8061 ConTeXt wiki: http://members.ping.de:8062

Le 23 juin 04, à 18:59, Henning Hraban Ramm a écrit :

And, Maurice, remember: Is there any complete LaTeX manual? No, there isn't - there are lots of books on different levels, most of them keep errors or describe old or obsolete packages or techniques.

And every latex package has its own docs that you should read - some are books itself (e.g. komascript). Doen't know about it, doen't need it, so I'm glab it is not in

Yes, there is some reference books LateX from Lamport A guide to Latex 2e ... which all are **suffisant** to do complete scientific documents - mathematiques (not mathxml, which has never be done for beeing written by hand!) - biblio (m-bib) The latex reference book is very small because it does't describe any extension. A ConTeXt reference book would be much like an uptodate cont-eni.pdf manual. It would be comparable to the couple "LaTeX Lamport + Latex Compagnon" For me, some of the top documentations are : gettingStartWithContext LaTeXtoContext.pdf refcontextbook (alias cont-eni for the 8.3 system) metafun-s.pdf the m-bib module and its doc the m-nath module and its doc up-004.p.pdf for table But the reference cont-eni.pdf doesn't talk about math nor biblio. Also there is several means to do tables, and it seams that the two main context reference documents (gettingStart and cont-eni.pdf) doesn't talk about the same table system. Morever, neither of them talk about the last most supported table system which seams to be enattab.pdf!! the latex manuals :-)

So there's a lot more in the "basic" ConTeXt manual than in most LaTeX books! Sure, it could always be more & better... I agree that the whole plethora of single docs isn't really overviewable. But otherwise they're a nice demonstration of ConTeXt's capabilities - and I guess Hans meant them to be.

It's a good thing that additive fonctionnalities, or full reference of specialised features are not included in the standard manual, I've never asked that the metafun book should be include in the contextbook! I think the simplest thing to do is a to make a lite introduction documentation for use as a guide about which docs should be seen as reference (which table to use, how to to biblio, ...) Also, I think yet that a litly modified version of the contextbook.pdf, by adding the new table, nath and biblio module, should be sufficiant for most peoples. A year ago, I thought that context could become the real "latex3" project, But now, I think that the context is missing for some universities support (latex developpers, user documentation for students, ...). An uptodate documentation could help! Cordialement, -- Maurice

On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 21:12:34 +0200, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

Again, I don't think that bibliographies are basic. But I'm no scientific user.

Actually, I think bibliographies are VERY basic. I edit an academic journal; each article has to have its own bib and m-bib can only be used once per document, and the (old) version I use has a few bugs (will try the latest version after some mission-critical stuff is out; I've (amateurishly) hacked the old version so that it at least does what I want for now). But ConTeXt really needs a full-fledged bibliography solution as part of the basic package I think. Question: in what context (no pun intended) do you use InDesign? Where is ConTeXt not so applicable? Best Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523

On Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:34:20 -0600 Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:

Actually, I think bibliographies are VERY basic. I edit an academic journal; each article has to have its own bib and m-bib can only be used once per document, and the (old) version I use has a few bugs (will try the latest version after some mission-critical stuff is out; I've (amateurishly) hacked the old version so that it at least does what I want for now).

Hello Idris, If you tell me what you want from the bib package, chances are that it will be added (if you don't, it won't be). Generally, without feature requests there will never be any new features, and without bug reports bugs will never get fixed. So: if anybody has requests for the bib package, let me know. Greetings, Taco

On Thu, 24 Jun 2004, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

Even if math is "typical" for TeX, it's not typical for ConTeXt.

I think the typical university user is content with LaTeX. ConTeXt is for those who like to design their own layout.

And that's, unfortunately, a poor view to take. I would love to use ConTeXt for more of my academic writing, as it makes a lot of tasks much easier, not just layout and design. Unfortunately, it's inability to play like LaTeX when it comes to even such basic things as footnotes, means that I have to constantly turn back to LaTeX whenever I need to write something for work or school.

Again, I don't think that bibliographies are basic. But I'm no scientific user.

And for those of us who are, bibliographies are *crucial* and should be considered a basic part of any tpesetting program that wants to be taken seriously. And while m-bib is usually sufficient, it too has enough quirks that it's just not worth the time to even bother if you want to submit a paper that has a special format requirement for the bibliographies. William D. Neumann --- "Well I could be a genius, if I just put my mind to it. And I...I could do anything, if only I could get 'round to it. Oh we were brought up on the space-race, now they expect you to clean toilets. When you've seen how big the world is, how can you make do with this? If you want me, I'll be sleeping in - sleeping in throughout these glory days." -- Jarvis Cocker Think of XML as Lisp for COBOL programmers. -- Tony-A (some guy on /.)

Maurice Diamantini wrote:

About math, biblio and context2html missing features mentionned in previous discussion, some poeples talk about standard document writing, I dont't think every body need to write chimical formula, but there is a powerfull ConTeXt extension to do it, so it's not a valid argument to not accept a math package in the ConTeXt distribution.

most of the math that one keys in, is rather bare tex based; macro packages may (and do) provide additional features, especially in the area of building matrices, breaking formulas and additional symbols in context the built in support for math is limited to - symbols - numbering - spacing (and for those who want that, math typesetting on grids). Everything else math related is collected in modules: - math: math module, nath module, mathml module - physics: units module - chemistry: ppchtex the two math modules are maintaind by taco and giusseppe; much of the original math module is now distributed over kernel modules and m-newmat.tex (but i still need to finish that one); a good alternative is the nath module, but since nath is not 'generic' giusseppe had to patch some things; when he's satisfied, i'll take a look at his code and see what needs to move to the kernel or needs specific support; but for most purposes things are already workable the other 'often asked' functionality concerns bibliographies; there is a module by taceo for this; in the future (depending on the developments in the bibtex arena) i will look into multilingual bibtex and xml as input

The raison I tried ConTeXt is to test it for a full replacement for LaTeX.

I know that ConTeXt is not finished, and some fonctionnalties could be add or corrected later.

hm, most of it is quite finished, although i keep adding functionallity to keep up with what high end publishing demands -) with regards to 'corrected later': i try to maintain downward compatibility (or at least repair it when broken); of course i keep improving the overal performance and quality of the output

I also know that such a task is not feasable by only one person (even by Hans :-)

as long as one builds on top of the system and support modules (syst-*.tex and supp-*.tex) or uses high level constructs, one can write extensions -)

So the only way to make this project realisable is to get (stole :-) guru from LaTeX community to ConTeXt.

there are a few context users on this list who know latex quite well -)

And nobody will contribute in a project that it hasn't fully adopted!

hm, keep in mind that in the beginning of tex there could be some influence on that (read: amstex and latex were pushed by user groups in favor of for instance lamstex, inrstex, etc) ; concerning contribution: context itself is not that unfinished; also, there *are* contributions, take for instance the area of fonts and languages

For this, one need: 1 - a clear polilical objective for context,

hm, i'm not going to promise context-2 (like latex-3), but here are a few things on my agenda: - some clean up of code and maybe even rewrite of parts of the code (esp lists and section handling) - converting the low level dutch into english (can be done automatically -i did that some years ago-) but i need a moment of 'silence' for that - support for xsl-fo (i occasionally work on that, when i can motivate myself); much of it is finished - extending the xml interface definition (with patrick); somehow connect that with documentation; create a reverse path, i.e. define layouts etc in xml - more extensive support for multi media - more interfaces as part of the example framework (different thread, but of interest to web publishing) - (some fun projects) - some educational specific things - reorganizing my documentation tree and putting some source code on line - extending/updating manuals (i wanted to dedicate time to that earlier this year, but adapting to changes in tds / web2c took quite some time) (ok, i also have todo some projects in order to survive) (and ... i also want to look into extending tex and metapost)

2 - the way (or path, or mean?) adopted for reaching it, 3 - the adapted developpement model, 4 - some (elastical) roadmap.

driven by demand

As I said, I see ConTeXt as a (potencial) full replacement for LaTeX. I've writen a technical slide presentation and an article like document (20 pages) for testing that. I succeded (with some work) But for now, I can't encourage a student for begining with ConTeXt instead of LaTeX.

On the other side, I (one) can't use both ConTeXt **and** LaTeX for doing things: I have to choose only one.

some do -) Hans

Bonjour à tous, One thing is missing in context (or not documented in reference manual?) is a standard and easy way to build arbitrary parametrised high level macros. For exemple, instead of \def\myCommand#9{...} That I should call by \myCommand{param1}{param2}{...} {param9} Id'like too keep default value for most of the parameters but param7 and write something like: \myCommand[param7=value7]{body} In LaTeX, there is a package keyval for doing this And context use this everywere, but I haven't seen anything for a user beeing able to do this. This is the base for building arbitrary complex user commands with some defauld behavior, and then, if this personal macro is usefull enough, building some user contribution library. As a true exemple, see a latex package I've written some years ago for drawing uml diagramms whith LaTeX command (using PsTricks). This file is available at http://www.ensta.fr/~diam/latex/pst-uml/pst-uml-981218-09h41.tar.gz (should now be available on CTAN too) See documents for the samples (in french but the samples are in LaTeX and drawing are in "picture" !) One of the first exemple I'd like is some command to put some little table as caractere in a line (see that as some personalised box): start of line $-$\myStack[border=1ex,baseline=0.5]{ aaa & bbb \\ aaa & bbb \\ aaa & bbb }$-$ end of line Or a little command to draw some picture, with default but modifiable parameters: $-$\myzigzag[dir=down,linewith=1pt,color=red,with=3\em]$-$ Using Metafun. Cordialement, -- Maurice

Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:

It is true, we need a "programming in ConTeXt" manual. It is still possible to 'know' how to do things by looking at the way things are done in ConTeXt itself. For example, in your case you want something like this:

\def\myCommand[#1]#2{% \rawgetparameters[myCommand][param1=defaultvalue1,param2=defaultvalue2,#1]% do something with \csname myCommandparam1\endcsname and #2}

There is \setvariables [yournamespace] [yourvar=yourval] which operates independent of the language interface \getvariable{yournamespace}{yourvar} can be used to pick up a var The most important issue here is that you need to use some unique prefix, preferable something MyPrefix (capital and verbose). Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Giuseppe Bilotta wrote:

What is the difference between setvariable and getparameters?

the second one does interface translations Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Maurice, The 'key' to the keyval functionality in ConTeXt are two macros called \getparameters and \processaction. Here is a 'quickstart', assuming you want to define \myzigzag: % \unprotect % enable exclamations in macro names \def\myzigzag#1[#2]{% % the #1 makes sure we allow a space before the bracket % \getparameters[ZZ][Dir=,Linewidth=1pt,Color=Red,Width=3em,#2] % % Now you have a set of new macros that all start with ZZ. % At least there are \ZZDir,\ZZLinewidth, \ZZColor and \ZZWidth % (these have default values) but possibly others as well, % depending on user input. % % Here's a usage example: % \edef\mywidth{\ZZWidth}% % % If you want to use keyword values, then you also need % to use \processaction. % % Say you want "Dir" to be mandatory and that it % accepts 4 directional keywords, as well as a direct % angle specification. % % I've used all mixed case keywords, because otherwise % you might run into conflicts with the multilingual interface % \expandafter\processaction\expandafter[\ZZDir] [Down =>\def\Dir{270}, Left =>\def\Dir{180}, Up =>\def\Dir{90}, Right =>\def\Dir{0}, \s!default =>\errorDir, \s!unknown =>\checkDir{\ZZDir}] % % \s!default may be triggered because \ZZDir's expansion is % empty unless the user supplied something. % % The first argument to \processaction has to be expanded, % so you need the \expandafter's.q } % for completeness, here is an example definition of \checkDir and % \errorDir: \def\errorDir{% \def\Dir{0}% error recovery \message{Please supply "Dir" argument}% } \def\checkDir#1{% \doifnumberelse {#1} {\def\Dir{#1}} {\message{Invalid "Dir" argument! (#1)}} } \protect % end of definitions On Sat, 26 Jun 2004 11:51:14 +0200, Maurice wrote:

Bonjour à tous,

One thing is missing in context (or not documented in reference manual?) is a standard and easy way to build arbitrary parametrised high level macros.

-- groeten, Taco

Pardon, I forgot the whole tex-file: \useregime[il1] \enableregime[il1] \useencoding[ffr] \definehspace[fr][:][.16667em] \definehspace[fr][;][.16667em] \definehspace[fr][!][.16667em] \definehspace[fr][?][.16667em] \mainlanguage[fr] \newdimen\BigWidth \BigWidth=18cm \setupscreens[screen=0.85] \setupcolors[state=start] \setupheadertexts[Rév.: \the\RevC] \def\Vfil{\vskip0pt plus3fil\relax} \def\In[#1,#2]{\ifx#1\empty\else\in[#1]\fi\if\relax#2\else, \In[#2]\fi} \def\BigTitle{\centerline{\framed[width=\BigWidth,offset=2mm, background=screen]{\bfb\setupinterlinespace\cbox{Title}}}} \def\startChanges{\hbox to \hsize\bgroup\hss\SetTableToWidth{\BigWidth}% \starttable[s1 | c | c | p(95mm) | p(17mm) | p(37mm) |] \HL\BL[5]\AR\VL Rév.\VL Date\VL Origine de la mise à jour\VL§ modifié\VL Auteur\VL\AR\HL} \def\stopChanges{\stoptable\hss\egroup}\newcount\RevC \def\Changes#1[#2]{% \getparameters[CH][#2]% Auteur, Modif, Labels, Date \ifnum\RevC=0 \BigTitle \vskip0.5ex \Vfil \startChanges \fi \global\advance\RevC by 1 \VL \the\RevC \VL \CHDate \VL \CHModif \VL XXX%\In[\CHLabels,\relax] % does not work, but not so important for now \VL \CHAuteur \VL\AR\HL} \def\Destinataires#1{\stopChanges\Vfil \def\temp{#1}\ifx\temp\empty\else\noindenting Destinataires:\crlf#1\blank\fi \centerline{\SetTableToWidth{\BigWidth}% \bf\starttable[| c | c | c |] \HL\BL[3]\AR\VL Approbateur\VL Date\VL Visa\VL\AR\HL \VL\vbox to 2cm{}\VL\VL\VL\AR\HL \stoptable}\par\page\completecontent} \starttext \Changes[Date=1/2/2004,Modif=First version,Auteur=Peter] \Changes[Date=3/4/2004,Modif=Some modifications,Lables={sec:S1,sec:S2}, Auteur=Peter Münster] \Changes[Date=5/6/2004,Modif=Some other modifications,Lables={sec:S2}, Auteur=Peter] % \Destinataires{Peter, Olivier} \section[sec:S1]{A section} some text \subsection{Bla} \subsection{Bla} \section[sec:S2]{Another section} some text \stoptext Cheers, Peter -- http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ _____________________________________ FilmSearch engine: http://f-s.sf.net/

On Tue, 10 Aug 2004, Vit Zyka wrote:

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\getparameters[CH][#2]% Auteur, Modif, Labels, Date

Try \getgparameters

Thanks!! What an easy fix, just ONE letter :-) Peter -- http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ _____________________________________ FilmSearch engine: http://f-s.sf.net/

Le 28 juin 04, à 11:49, Patrick Gundlach a écrit :

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One thing is missing in context (or not documented in reference manual?) is a standard and easy way to build arbitrary parametrised high level macros.

Thank to you(s) for your macros exemples, I've now to build mu own sample in the next two months, and I then will surely post news questions before it is finished :-) I like the fact one can have our own namespace. ConTeXt is realy amazing : should be called LaTeX3 (as soon as the reference manual is finished ;-) Amicalement, -- Maurice

On Monday 28 June 2004 04:40, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

Hi Hans, group,

I saw this passing by in another thread, and since I am myself currently working

on a C port of metapost:

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(and ... i also want to look into extending tex and metapost)

What kind of extensions to metapost do you (or anyone else) have in mind?

Progress update:

Work on the C port of MP is coming along nicely. Work progress is fairly slow because I have to make change quite a lot of small changes to the code. I expect to have a 'working' test executable in about 3 or 4 weeks.

libMP will have (at least) the following changes wrt. the Web source code:

- C strings instead of a string pool ( and no pool file). - A "struct METAPOST" instance that gets moved around, instead of global variables (libMP will be thread-safe) - A namespace for all externally visible procedures and enums (prefix 'mp') - mp_initialize() and mp_finish() calls to allow clean restarts. - All file I/O will be configurable (through callbacks) - PostScript output will be isolated from the other output. (to allow other output backends in the future).

A worthy project, but one beyond my ability, would be a version of Metafont that output PostScript instead of bitmapped fonts. It seems that the bulk of the necessary labor was done in the creation of Metapost. All that is needed is the production of a pfb file and an afm file instead of individual graphics files. Does anyone else dream of such a project? -- John Culleton Short list of publishing/marketing books: http://wexfordpress.com/tex/shortlist.pdf

John Culleton wrote:

A worthy project, but one beyond my ability, would be a version of Metafont that output PostScript instead of bitmapped fonts. It seems that the bulk of the necessary labor was done in the creation of Metapost. All that is needed is the production of a pfb file and an afm file instead of individual graphics files.

The truth is that nearly none of the necessary labor was done. Type 1 fonts are in fact a somewhat different language from normal PostScript, even with a somewhat different imaging model behind it. For one thing, Type 1 does not allow shapes to overlap, and for another, it does not allow "white erasing".

Does anyone else dream of such a project?

Yes, I do. And I am even willing to invest time in such a thing. But the truth is: I am not familiar with the maths involved. I'd need a very good book on the subject (2-D equation solving) and a lot of help. MetaType1 works, but it makes some very strict demands on the input source, and I don't like that. I'd much prefer a system that accepts 'standard' MF sources. Greetings, Taco

On Fri, 25 Jun 2004, Hans Hagen wrote:

William D. Neumann wrote:

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And that's, unfortunately, a poor view to take. I would love to use ConTeXt for more of my academic writing, as it makes a lot of tasks much easier, not just layout and design. Unfortunately, it's inability to play like LaTeX when it comes to even such basic things as footnotes, mean

eh .. what's wrong with the footnotes?

Set a page in two column with footnotes set to span just the column where the mark is placed (I forget the full commands to do this... I could look them up, but you probably know what they are...). Now, place a footnote. In LaTeX, you get something that looks like: text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text[1] text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text ------------------ text text text text [1] footnote foot text text text text footnote footnote text text text text footnote footnote text text text text In ConTeXt you get something like: text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text[1] text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text text ------------------ [1] footnote foot footnote footnote footnote footnote That is, the other column doesn't flow around the footnote in the other column, wasting space and looking ugly. I asked at least twice on this list how to fix this and received no fixes. If you have a fix, I would be *very* pleased to hear about it... William D. Neumann --- "Well I could be a genius, if I just put my mind to it. And I...I could do anything, if only I could get 'round to it. Oh we were brought up on the space-race, now they expect you to clean toilets. When you've seen how big the world is, how can you make do with this? If you want me, I'll be sleeping in - sleeping in throughout these glory days." -- Jarvis Cocker Think of XML as Lisp for COBOL programmers. -- Tony-A (some guy on /.)

William D. Neumann wrote:

That is, the other column doesn't flow around the footnote in the other column, wasting space and looking ugly. I asked at least twice on this list how to fix this and received no fixes. If you have a fix, I would be *very* pleased to hear about it...

i uploaded a new beta, which has column footnotes corrected (i had forgotten to adapt the mechanism to the new multiple notes mechanism); a also added the option to put notes in the first column: \setupfootnotes[location=firstcolumn|lastcolumn] % columns == lastcolumn Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Le 23 juin 04, à 10:56, Patrick Gundlach a écrit :

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Also, this could be the url for hight level FAQ (this forum it not realy a hight level forum!)

Go ahead and put it in the wiki! Its up to us all to put content in there. ... texshow-web: http://members.ping.de:8061 ConTeXt wiki: http://members.ping.de:8062

Not accessible! Perhaps because I'm behind a firewall? I should try at home.

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- how about ConTeXt future (why it is not open source?)

It is open source, even free software. You can go ahead and change everything yourself. Pragma ADE has licenced this impressive and valuable macro package under the terms of the GNU Public License (GPL)! This is really great! (See mreadme.pdf for details.)

OK, It is open source But about the documentation. The easiest way to finf this file is by looking for mreadme.pdf pragma in google! -- Maurice

Le 23 juin 04, à 16:54, Patrick Gundlach a écrit :

Hi Maurice,

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texshow-web: http://members.ping.de:8061 ConTeXt wiki: http://members.ping.de:8062

Not accessible! Perhaps because I'm behind a firewall? I should try at home.

I just double checked that the services both run ok. If there is any problem that could be on my side, please tell me.

It does work from home, So I cried to our system administaters, and now it does work at work too :-) Thank you very much.

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OK, It is open source But about the documentation. The easiest way to finf this file is by looking for

mreadme.pdf pragma

in google!

I did 'locate mreadme'.

Yes, but I think the top 10 documents should directly be accessible from the reference url. and mreadme.pdf is one of these files *before* installing context !

Hi,

the idea of the keywords is very nice... in http://wiki.tcl.tk you can search for a specific page using the url http://wiki.tcl.tk/file

even more, you can search all pages containing a word like in:

http://wiki.tcl.tk/menu*

But this is not a pure keyword serach. This is just a fulltext search.

perhaps it could be copied for ConTeXt wiki...

No, different software. But this is not the point, since you can search though all pages with the instiki software that I use. Patrick -- texshow-web: http://members.ping.de:8061 ConTeXt wiki: http://members.ping.de:8062

On Mon, 31 May 2004, Patrick Gundlach wrote:

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FitBH means, fit to width of bounding box. When reading text on the screen, the combination of FullScreen and FitBH seems to me optimal.

I could not find anything like this in ConTeXt.

After a while of searching, I found in spec-fdf.tex the following lines: \def\PDFpageviewkey{ fit} \def\PDFpageviewwrd{ /Fit} \def\PDFpageview {/View [\PDFpageviewwrd] } I changed /Fit to /FitBH and indeed, I get lines like this: <> in the pdf-file. When clicking on a link, I get into FitBH mode, but not at startup. Does anybody know a little bit more about PDF to get this working as in LaTeX? Cheers, Peter -- http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ _____________________________________ FilmSearch engine: http://f-s.sf.net/

On Mon, 7 Jun 2004, Hans Hagen wrote:

\setupinteraction[focus=fit|width|height|standard]

BH is not supported (yet)

you need to add the following to mult-con.tex first to get minheight supported

minhoogte: minhoogte minheight minhoehe minvyska altezzamin inaltimeminima

Thank you, Hans! I also had to add minbreedte, then my testfile compiled. With \setupinteraction[state=start,focus=minwidth] I get indeed a line like this: /D [2 0 R /FitBH 0] in the pdf-file, but Acroread does not start in this mode... (focus=width does not work neither)

so now we have minheight and minwidth; can you test that (only when it works i will move it to the driver module; such things were buggy in previous versions of acrobat)

Yes, I think they are still buggy, but it seems, that newer pdftex versions know to handle those bugs. At least with pdftex-1.10b and LaTeX, there is no more problem. (with pdftex-0.14h, there was no hope...) Greetings, Peter -- http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ _____________________________________ FilmSearch engine: http://f-s.sf.net/

On Mon, 31 May 2004, Patrick Gundlach wrote:

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\externalfigure[example][width=5cm] some text, jpeg-figure is shifted down and to the left.

I don't see that it is shifted to the left, but slightly down (I wonder where this is aligned?).

Indeed, very slightly. But much better than here. So I just have to update to ConTeXt 2004.4.9.

And \externalfigure eats up the whitespace after "5cm]". This is sligthly confusing.

Yes. I've just seen the same problem with \cite[...] (m-bib). With \cite it's a bigger problem, because it's in the running text, \externalfigure in most cases in a \placefigure. Thanks for your answers, Peter -- http://pmrb.free.fr/contact/ _____________________________________ FilmSearch engine: http://f-s.sf.net/