Hi All, Why not try an existing, online tool.? There are severals, most of them support export to various formats, e.g. BibTeX, RIS, EndNote, etc.. Some of them have a Word plug-in, too. http://www.connotea.org/ Free online reference management tool for scientists Nature Publishing Group http://www.citeulike.org/ Free online reference management tool for scientists Oversity Ldt. http://www.bibsonomy.org/ Free online reference management tool for scientists University of Kassel http://www.zotero.org/ Free online reference management tool for scientists WordPress http://www.2collab.com/ Free online group collaboration tool for scientists Elsevier B.V. Otherwaise, for Desktop solutions see a comparision: Reference Management Software Comparison: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_reference_management_software http://mahbub.wordpress.com/2007/03/04/comparison-of-free-bibliographic-mana... Dietrich -- Mr. Dietrich Rordorf MDPI Center Matthaeusstrasse 11 CH-4057 Basel Switzerland E-mail: rordorf@mdpi.org Skype: d.rordorf Tel. +41 61 683 77 34 (office) Tel. +41 76 561 41 83 (mobile) Fax +41 61 302 89 18

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Subject: Re: [NTG-context] Bibliographic Databases From: Robin Kirkham Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 19:13:28 +1000 To: ntg-context@ntg.nl

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On 20 April 2008, "George N. White III" wrote:

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On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 11:19 AM, Robin Kirkham wrote:

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I want to set up a shared bibliographic reference database for my research group, [...]

I can tell you a few things that don't work! In our lab we have both TeX and Word users. Many of them had been using a DOS package called papyrus, using a special markup that could be translated to tex (.bbl) files. Nothing we found was really satisfactory, so we bought EndNote, which could import from papyrus via "refer" format and can export to "almost bibtex". One problem is that EndNote uses unicode, so we end up with è, etc. that must be translated for some user's versions of bibtex. The database now has a nearly infinite variety of different quote marks: `a`, 'a', ``a'', "a", etc. depending on how the entry was made (many are pasted from online or pdf sources).

EndNote is really designed for individual users, although sold in bulk. If 2 people open the same database on a shared drive they end up with a corrupt database.

In my view, a bibliographic database needs to store each reference in the "source" or original format, whether bibtex, refer, or one of the newer forms, and provide translators and version tracking, so each file can have forks for different uses (e.g., ascii vs unicode char. sets) and edits can be preserved for the next user. In practice, people just dump selected refs to a bib file, make the .bbl file, and fix problems there, so fixes rarely make it back to the master database. If they did, we would still have accents and quote marks being switched back and forth depending on who last used the entry.

Thanks George. EndNote is I believe the corporately-approved solution here, and similar disasters occur when people try and share its data files. For this reason I don't call these sorts of personal-level programs "databases" (any more than I'll call a .bib file a database).

The TeX folk don't fare much better. Multiple personal .bib files are common, often with duplicate references but different citation keys, leading to rather variable results depending on who run LaTeX/ConTeXt on the file. Inconsistency in data entry is also a problem, although for us, accents and quotes don't seem to too big a problem. (`Authorless', i.e., corporate author documents, like data sheets, seems to be more of an issue).

For this reason I'm looking for a proper SQL database solution like refdb or refbase (or maybe wikindx, thanks Andreas) with a web front-end that will hopefully enforce somewhat more consistent data entry, and maybe even auto-generate citation keys. Taco, your remarks regarding interchange formats are valuable (both refdb and refbase support MODS XML output).

Robin ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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