bibliography - maybeyear
Hello, Using \setuppublications [alternative=num] for example, should not append letters to the publication years when encountering multiple publications by the same author(s) per year. So, in the use of bibliographies, I have not understood how to control \maybeyear. In the bibl-xxx.tex files, it is defined as \def\maybeyear#1{#1} or \def\maybeyear#1{} as needed. Perhaps this is for mkii. In bibl-bib.mkiv, one has \appendtoks \doifelse{\bibtexpublicationsparameter\c!maybeyear}\v!off {\let\maybeyear\gobbleoneargument} {\let\maybeyear\firstofoneargument}% \to \everysetupbibtexlistplacement which seems to then use the keyword maybeyear. I guess that \setupbibtexpublications [maybeyear=off] in my source would turn off the appended letters, but this is not correct. I have tried many variants (\setuppublications, \setupbibtex). What am I misunderstanding? Or is this a bug? Alan
On 11/20/2013 9:12 AM, Alan Braslau wrote:
Hello,
Using \setuppublications [alternative=num] for example, should not append letters to the publication years when encountering multiple publications by the same author(s) per year.
So, in the use of bibliographies, I have not understood how to control \maybeyear.
In the bibl-xxx.tex files, it is defined as \def\maybeyear#1{#1} or \def\maybeyear#1{} as needed. Perhaps this is for mkii.
In bibl-bib.mkiv, one has \appendtoks \doifelse{\bibtexpublicationsparameter\c!maybeyear}\v!off {\let\maybeyear\gobbleoneargument} {\let\maybeyear\firstofoneargument}% \to \everysetupbibtexlistplacement which seems to then use the keyword maybeyear.
I guess that \setupbibtexpublications [maybeyear=off] in my source would turn off the appended letters, but this is not correct. I have tried many variants (\setuppublications, \setupbibtex). What am I misunderstanding? Or is this a bug?
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On Wed, 20 Nov 2013 13:38:16 +0100
Hans Hagen
example needed
Of course: \setupbibtex [database=test] \setuppublications [alternative=num] \starttext \cite [Peirce1878V,Peirce1878VI] \placepublications [criterium=text] \stoptext test.bib: @ARTICLE{Peirce1878V, author = {Peirce, C. S.}, title = {Illustrations of the logic of science. {F}ifth paper – The order of nature}, journal = {Popular Science Monthly}, year = {1878}, volume = {9}, pages = {203–217} } @ARTICLE{Peirce1878VI, author = {Peirce, C. S.}, title = {Illustrations of the logic of science. {S}ixth paper – Deduction, induction, and hypothesis}, journal = {Popular Science Monthly}, year = {1878}, volume = {9}, pages = {470–482} }
On 11/20/2013 9:12 AM, Alan Braslau wrote:
Hello,
Using \setuppublications [alternative=num] for example, should not append letters to the publication years when encountering multiple publications by the same author(s) per year.
So, in the use of bibliographies, I have not understood how to control \maybeyear.
In the bibl-xxx.tex files, it is defined as \def\maybeyear#1{#1} or \def\maybeyear#1{} as needed. Perhaps this is for mkii.
In bibl-bib.mkiv, one has \appendtoks \doifelse{\bibtexpublicationsparameter\c!maybeyear}\v!off {\let\maybeyear\gobbleoneargument} {\let\maybeyear\firstofoneargument}% \to \everysetupbibtexlistplacement which seems to then use the keyword maybeyear.
I guess that \setupbibtexpublications [maybeyear=off] in my source would turn off the appended letters, but this is not correct. I have tried many variants (\setuppublications, \setupbibtex). What am I misunderstanding? Or is this a bug?
\setuppublicationlist [maybeyear=off] you can deduce that from \bibtexpublicationsparameter which you can read as \<bibtexpublications>parameter i.e. it is bound to \setup<bibtexpublications> Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
On 11/28/2013 06:37 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:
Hello,
Using \setuppublications [alternative=num] for example, should not append letters to the publication years when encountering multiple publications by the same author(s) per year.
So, in the use of bibliographies, I have not understood how to control \maybeyear.
In the bibl-xxx.tex files, it is defined as \def\maybeyear#1{#1} or \def\maybeyear#1{} as needed. Perhaps this is for mkii.
In bibl-bib.mkiv, one has \appendtoks \doifelse{\bibtexpublicationsparameter\c!maybeyear}\v!off {\let\maybeyear\gobbleoneargument} {\let\maybeyear\firstofoneargument}% \to \everysetupbibtexlistplacement which seems to then use the keyword maybeyear.
I guess that \setupbibtexpublications [maybeyear=off] in my source would turn off the appended letters, but this is not correct. I have tried many variants (\setuppublications, \setupbibtex). What am I misunderstanding? Or is this a bug?
\setuppublicationlist [maybeyear=off]
maybeyear is one of the areas that need fixing. The simple on/off mechanism is not sufficient, because the behavior needs to be more complex: 1. If the citation style does not use the year as a key, do not append letters. 2. If the citation style uses year as key and only one publication/year of an author is quoted and listed (even if there are several in the bib file) do not append letter. 3. Append letter if citation style uses year AND more than one publication/year for given author is quoted and listed. I assume that in order for this to work, Hans will have to rewrite the code which produces the .bbl file from the bib. Right now, AFAICS, the .bbl contains the entire .bib database. It should only contain the entries which are cited. Alan, does that make sense to you? Thomas
On Fri, 29 Nov 2013 12:22:54 +0100
"Thomas A. Schmitz"
maybeyear is one of the areas that need fixing. The simple on/off mechanism is not sufficient, because the behavior needs to be more complex:
1. If the citation style does not use the year as a key, do not append letters.
2. If the citation style uses year as key and only one publication/year of an author is quoted and listed (even if there are several in the bib file) do not append letter.
3. Append letter if citation style uses year AND more than one publication/year for given author is quoted and listed.
I assume that in order for this to work, Hans will have to rewrite the code which produces the .bbl file from the bib. Right now, AFAICS, the .bbl contains the entire .bib database. It should only contain the entries which are cited.
Alan, does that make sense to you?
Yes Perhaps the .bbl could contain the entire .bib database with the filtering taking place then in lua/ConTeXt. How this is handled internally is a programming, not a user issue. I do agree with your assessment of when to and when not to append a letter to the year as listed. Alan
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