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dr. Hans van der Meer

29 Jun 2016 29 Jun '16

10:05 a.m.

I do not understand the behaviour of the \sc macro. I thought smallcaps would turn out to be smaller than capitals. But I see no difference between them except a subtle difference in letterspacing. Am I doing something wrong here? Hans van der Meer Minimal example and output: \setuppapersize[A5][A5] \starttext \setupbodyfont[lmodern] lmodern: uppercase smallcaps\blank \setupbodyfont[cambria] cambria: uppercase smallcaps\blank \LuaTeX-version=0.\the\luatexversion\crlf \ConTeXt-version=\contextversion\crlf \stoptext

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Mikael P. Sundqvist

29 Jun 29 Jun

10:29 a.m.

On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 10:05 AM, dr. Hans van der Meer wrote:

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I do not understand the behaviour of the \sc macro. I thought smallcaps would turn out to be smaller than capitals. But I see no difference between them except a subtle difference in letterspacing. Am I doing something wrong here?

Hans van der Meer

Minimal example and output:

\setuppapersize[A5][A5] \starttext \setupbodyfont[lmodern] lmodern: uppercase smallcaps\blank \setupbodyfont[cambria] cambria: uppercase smallcaps\blank \LuaTeX-version=0.\the\luatexversion\crlf \ConTeXt-version=\contextversion\crlf \stoptext

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Hi! I think \sc ABC should give ABC in full size as it does. Try \sc ABCabc /Mikael

Wolfgang Schuster

11 a.m.

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dr. Hans van der Meer mailto:havdmeer@ziggo.nl 29. Juni 2016 um 10:05 I do not understand the behaviour of the \sc macro. I thought smallcaps would turn out to be smaller than capitals. But I see no difference between them except a subtle difference in letterspacing. Am I doing something wrong here?

Hans van der Meer

Minimal example and output:

\setuppapersize[A5][A5] \starttext \setupbodyfont[lmodern] lmodern: uppercase smallcaps\blank \setupbodyfont[cambria] cambria: uppercase smallcaps\blank \LuaTeX-version=0.\the\luatexversion\crlf \ConTeXt-version=\contextversion\crlf \stoptext Smallcaps changes only the layout of lowercase letters but some fonts let you also change uppercase letters.

In the example below you can see how you can change uppercase and lowercase letter with the smcp and c2sc features. \definefontfeature[f:smcp][smcp=yes] \definefontfeature[f:c2sc][c2sc=yes] \setupbodyfont[pagella] \starttext An easy and breezy Sunday morning. {\feature[+][f:smcp]An easy and breezy Sunday morning.} {\feature[+][f:c2sc]An easy and breezy Sunday morning.} {\feature[+][f:c2sc,f:smcp]An easy and breezy Sunday morning.} \stoptext Wolfgang

Meer, Hans van der

11:26 a.m.

Thanks. For those who are curious as to how I became confused about the uppercase-lowercase for smallcaps: look at session "803 Typography and Fonts" in Apple's WWDC2016 conference, just after 23 minutes and you will understand. Hans van der Meer On 29 Jun 2016, at 11:00, Wolfgang Schuster mailto:schuster.wolfgang@gmail.com> wrote: dr. Hans van der Meermailto:havdmeer@ziggo.nl 29. Juni 2016 um 10:05 I do not understand the behaviour of the \sc macro. I thought smallcaps would turn out to be smaller than capitals. But I see no difference between them except a subtle difference in letterspacing. Am I doing something wrong here? Hans van der Meer Minimal example and output: \setuppapersize[A5][A5] \starttext \setupbodyfont[lmodern] lmodern: uppercase smallcaps\blank \setupbodyfont[cambria] cambria: uppercase smallcaps\blank \LuaTeX-version=0.\the\luatexversion\crlf \ConTeXt-version=\contextversion\crlf \stoptext Smallcaps changes only the layout of lowercase letters but some fonts let you also change uppercase letters. In the example below you can see how you can change uppercase and lowercase letter with the smcp and c2sc features. \definefontfeature[f:smcp][smcp=yes] \definefontfeature[f:c2sc][c2sc=yes] \setupbodyfont[pagella] \starttext An easy and breezy Sunday morning. {\feature[+][f:smcp]An easy and breezy Sunday morning.} {\feature[+][f:c2sc]An easy and breezy Sunday morning.} {\feature[+][f:c2sc,f:smcp]An easy and breezy Sunday morning.} \stoptext Wolfgang ___________________________________________________________________________________ If your question is of interest to others as well, please add an entry to the Wiki! maillist : ntg-context@ntg.nlmailto:ntg-context@ntg.nl / http://www.ntg.nl/mailman/listinfo/ntg-context webpage : http://www.pragma-ade.nl / http://tex.aanhet.net archive : http://foundry.supelec.fr/projects/contextrev/ wiki : http://contextgarden.net ___________________________________________________________________________________

Wolfgang Schuster

1:09 p.m.

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Meer, Hans van der mailto:H.vanderMeer@uva.nl 29. Juni 2016 um 11:26 Thanks.

For those who are curious as to how I became confused about the uppercase-lowercase for smallcaps: look at session "803 Typography and Fonts" in Apple's WWDC2016 conference, just after 23 minutes and you will understand. The following two tables contain the content of the relevant slides where he explains the effects from smcp (create small caps from lowercase letters) and c2sc (create small caps from uppercase letters).

\definefontfeature[f:smcp][smcp=yes] \definefontfeature[f:c2sc][c2sc=yes] \setupbodyfont[pagella] \starttext \subject{Small Caps from Uppercase} \starttabulate[|l|lf{\feature[+][f:c2sc]}|] \NC SAN FRANCISCO \NC SAN FRANCISCO \NC\NR \NC San Francisco \NC San Francisco \NC\NR \NC san francisco \NC san francisco \NC\NR \stoptabulate \subject{Small Caps from Lowercase} \starttabulate[|l|lf{\feature[+][f:smcp]}|] \NC SAN FRANCISCO \NC SAN FRANCISCO \NC\NR \NC San Francisco \NC San Francisco \NC\NR \NC san francisco \NC san francisco \NC\NR \stoptabulate \stoptext Wolfgang

dr. Hans van der Meer

12:39 p.m.

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On 29 Jun 2016, at 10:05, dr. Hans van der Meer wrote:

I do not understand the behaviour of the \sc macro. I thought smallcaps would turn out to be smaller than capitals. But I see no difference between them except a subtle difference in letterspacing. Am I doing something wrong here?

Hans van der Meer

The above issue being solved, I guess there is something else in my setup not being as it should be. Because the code: \starttext \setupbodyfont[lucidaot] {\sc abc} \stoptext Does give me abc in smallcaps, but placing the \setupbodyfont before the \starttext surprisingly does not. \setupbodyfont[lucidaot] \starttext {\sc abc} \stoptext Changing the lucidaot call for cambria or lmodern gives the expected coorect behaviour. So I guess there is something amiss with how I did setup the lucida font in my system. I bought the lucida opentype font and installed my TeX trees as follows. The split between the ConTeXt directory and the one for my local files facilitates downloading new beta versions. ~home\TeX\texmf\ fonts opentype bh lucidaot LucidaBlackletterOT.otf .. LucidaSansTypewriterOT.otf tex context user (my own modules) ~home\Applications\TeX-programs\ context tex link to the above texmf further as downloaded from the beta Strange thing furthermore is that changing the name of the lucidaot-directory in the texmf-tree does not seem to make any difference, not in any case when I execute "mtxrun --script font --reload --force" and afterwards "mtxrun --script context --make". So I guess there are some things I did not right. Can that be spotted from the information given here? Hans van der Meer

Wolfgang Schuster

12:55 p.m.

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dr. Hans van der Meer mailto:havdmeer@ziggo.nl 29. Juni 2016 um 12:39

The above issue being solved, I guess there is something else in my setup not being as it should be. Because the code:

\starttext \setupbodyfont[lucidaot] {\sc abc} \stoptext

Does give me abc in smallcaps, but placing the \setupbodyfont before the \starttext surprisingly does not.

\setupbodyfont[lucidaot] \starttext {\sc abc} \stoptext

Changing the lucidaot call for cambria or lmodern gives the expected coorect behaviour. So I guess there is something amiss with how I did setup the lucida font in my system. I bought the lucida opentype font and installed my TeX trees as follows. The split between the ConTeXt directory and the one for my local files facilitates downloading new beta versions.

~home\TeX\texmf\ fonts opentype bh lucidaot LucidaBlackletterOT.otf .. LucidaSansTypewriterOT.otf tex context user (my own modules)

~home\Applications\TeX-programs\ context tex link to the above texmf further as downloaded from the beta

Strange thing furthermore is that changing the name of the lucidaot-directory in the texmf-tree does not seem to make any difference, not in any case when I execute "mtxrun --script font --reload --force" and afterwards "mtxrun --script context --make".

So I guess there are some things I did not right. Can that be spotted from the information given here? The typescript for Lucida Bright OT doesn’t set a font (or applies the smallcaps feature) to the \sc font switch.

To get small capitals you can now activate the "smcp" or "c2sc" features or you create your own typeface (the \definefontfamily command always sets a font for the \sc switch). \definefontfamily[lucidaopentype][rm][Lucida Bright OT] \definefontfamily[lucidaopentype][ss][Lucida Sans OT] \definefontfamily[lucidaopentype][tt][Lucida Sans Typewriter OT] \definefontfamily[lucidaopentype][mm][Lucida Bright Math OT] \setupbodyfont[lucidaopentype] \starttext {\rm\tf Upright, \it Italic, \bf Bold, \bi BoldItalic and \sc SmallCaps} {\ss\tf Upright, \it Italic, \bf Bold, \bi BoldItalic and \sc SmallCaps} {\tt\tf Upright, \it Italic, \bf Bold, \bi BoldItalic and \sc SmallCaps} \stoptext Wolfgang

Alan Bowen

1 p.m.

Hans— Try “ABC {\sc abc}”. Alan On Wed, Jun 29, 2016 at 4:05 AM, dr. Hans van der Meer wrote:

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I do not understand the behaviour of the \sc macro. I thought smallcaps would turn out to be smaller than capitals. But I see no difference between them except a subtle difference in letterspacing. Am I doing something wrong here?

Hans van der Meer

Minimal example and output:

\setuppapersize[A5][A5] \starttext \setupbodyfont[lmodern] lmodern: uppercase smallcaps\blank \setupbodyfont[cambria] cambria: uppercase smallcaps\blank \LuaTeX-version=0.\the\luatexversion\crlf \ConTeXt-version=\contextversion\crlf \stoptext

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