Am 07.08.23 um 19:20 schrieb Hans van der Meer via ntg-context:

I would say: Don't use this one. This sticker could be interpreted as having a sexual connotation and that is not the way (excuse the Mandalorian).

The sexual connotation is intentional, of course. Apparently not everyone’s kind of humor. Hraban

Am 07.08.23 um 20:08 schrieb Hans van der Meer via ntg-context:

Please phrase your reaction differently. This is absolutely not about my sense of humor. But if you have observed the news media these last few years, you may have noticed how sensitive the public opinion has become about "humor" of this kind.  I am afraid it could place the Tex community (for which I care) in a less favourable light.

The TeX community, mostly consisting of LaTeX users, is joking about LaTeX vs. latex all the time. At least the part of the community that meets at open source conferences and hacker camps. Looking at other stickers I guess hacker humor is often a bit crude or pubertal. <shrug> I didn’t say we should print this design – Moss or maybe DANTE will. I’d like to have some interesting/funny stickers to promote ConTeXt (and MetaPost/MetaFun). And while I like the Dodo, it’s a MkII joke and I won’t stress it even more. Hraban

On 8/8/2023 11:19 AM, Otared Kavian wrote:

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On 7 Aug 2023, at 20:25, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote: […] The TeX community, mostly consisting of LaTeX users, is joking about LaTeX vs. latex all the time. At least the part of the community that meets at open source conferences and hacker camps.

only by texies who don't know that they are pronounced differently and i bet the publisher of the latex companion preferred a rather boring cover over a more tantalizing one but it would have made a nice experiment i hope it's not the only joke they make about tex as there is plenty to joke about (the) tex (community) for years we used the excellent yandy(tex) dvipsone postscript backend and pretty good dviwindo viewer (that had hyperlink support, which is why we had pdf hyperlink working in a day after acrobat 1 showed up) but googling for yandy was not helpful for their marketing i guess

Indeed, those old enough, would remember that the book « The Joy of TeX, a Gourmet Guide to Typesetting with the AMSTeX Macro Package » by Michael Spivak was written as a parody of « The Joy of Sex: A Gourmet Guide to Lovemaking » appeared in 1972… So, did that became a best seller then? It could explain why there are some folk always complaining about the context manuals.

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On 8/7/2023 8:28 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:

On 8/7/23 20:08, Hans van der Meer via ntg-context wrote:

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Please phrase your reaction differently. This is absolutely not about my sense of humor. But if you have observed the news media these last few years, you may have noticed how sensitive the public opinion has become about "humor" of this kind.  I am afraid it could place the Tex community (for which I care) in a less favourable light.

I must say I agree with Hans van der Meer here. For me, this sounds like middle school humor; I can't imagine any actual grown-up finding this funny. But I'm overall not convinced that such stickers make our world a better place. They have a tendency to wind up in places where you don't want to see them. So my two cents on your question: don't. They're worse than useless. it's also ugly

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On 8/7/2023 8:28 PM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:

On 8/7/23 20:08, Hans van der Meer via ntg-context wrote:

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Please phrase your reaction differently. This is absolutely not about my sense of humor. But if you have observed the news media these last few years, you may have noticed how sensitive the public opinion has become about "humor" of this kind.  I am afraid it could place the Tex community (for which I care) in a less favourable light.

I must say I agree with Hans van der Meer here. For me, this sounds like middle school humor; I can't imagine any actual grown-up finding this funny. But I'm overall not convinced that such stickers make our world a better place. They have a tendency to wind up in places where you don't want to see them. So my two cents on your question: don't. They're worse than useless indeed, and there are reasons why we stayed away from fancy websites, merchandizing, monetizing, adds on websites, statistics, likes, upvotes .. let's keep it that way

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When we started our studies of Arabic - this was back in the eighties - our department distributed stickers with the text: ‘Arabists do it from right to left’. We thought it was funny, and I still do! Regards, Robert

Op 7 aug. 2023, om 23:31 heeft Henning Hraban Ramm het volgende geschreven:

Am 07.08.23 um 21:42 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:

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indeed, and there are reasons why we stayed away from fancy websites, merchandizing, monetizing, adds on websites, statistics, likes, upvotes .. let's keep it that way

Hey, I’m just trying to change the status of ConTeXt as "the best TeX system that is but nobody knows". And I want to have fun with it, like everyone. Doesn’t need to be the same fun. But ok, I won’t try to speak in the name of ConTeXt (group/community) again.

Hraban

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It is the best one absolutely. I never regretted to have abandoned LaTeX a long time ago! On Mon, Aug 7, 2023 at 7:14 PM Hans Hagen wrote:

On 8/7/2023 11:31 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

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Am 07.08.23 um 21:42 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:

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indeed, and there are reasons why we stayed away from fancy websites, merchandizing, monetizing, adds on websites, statistics, likes, upvotes .. let's keep it that way

Hey, I’m just trying to change the status of ConTeXt as "the best TeX system that is but nobody knows". And I want to have fun with it, like

ha, i'd never claim tbe 'best' but feel free to say that, and 'fun i'd claim indeed

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everyone. Doesn’t need to be the same fun. But ok, I won’t try to speak in the name of ConTeXt (group/community) again. One could put "I stick to Context" or "I'm stuck with Context" on a bumper sticker -)

Hans

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