Am 03.10.23 um 02:02 schrieb Alan Braslau:

On Mon, 2 Oct 2023 13:13:52 +0200 Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

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Consider: @Book {rattenhka, author = "Bettina von Arnim and Gisela von Arnim", title = "Das Leben der Hochgräfin Gritta von Rattenzuhausbeiuns", … }

The authors are usually given as “Bettina and Gisela von Arnim” (mother and daughter; similar “Jacob and Wilhelm Grimm” as brothers or “Bettina and Achim von Arnim” as a couple) – is there a good solution for related authors?

Multiple authors should be treated as multiple authors. That they are related is not and should not be a consideration in citing works. At least this is the practice that I know of for academic texts.

You can cheat and try to define one author with a combined first name, like author={Eames, Ray & Earl}, but I don't know how that parses as I have never tried it; "and" is a reserved token used to define multiple authors. I wouldn't do it as I can think of many examples (Bjaer & Bjaer) where we give both credit, individually.

Thank you. It seems like database solutions like BibTeX & Cie are generally not suitable for quoting books as they were published – and that’s important in the contexts of “my” authors (literary studies, history). For my ConTeXt book, I thought it would make sense, and I would jump through some hoops just to use the system, but – most sources that I want to list are never quoted (method=dataset) – I would need to define my own rendering, e.g. don’t like the handling of names – I need additional fields (custom rendering again) – if I refer to sources, I want a URL or file path in a footnote (custom cite wrapper macro) This all works fine without the btx subsysten (I just need to find solutions for some edge cases, or avoid them), so I probably had wrong ideas about bibliographies (at least in TeX). OTOH, for my novel I can use the bib database approach for an extended person register; the required rendering is much less involved. Hraban

Am 03.10.23 um 23:08 schrieb Aditya Mahajan:

On Tue, 3 Oct 2023, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

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For my ConTeXt book, I thought it would make sense, and I would jump through some hoops just to use the system, but – most sources that I want to list are never quoted (method=dataset) – I would need to define my own rendering, e.g. don’t like the handling of names – I need additional fields (custom rendering again) – if I refer to sources, I want a URL or file path in a footnote (custom cite wrapper macro)

When I have to write your own rendering, I find it more convenient to use XML/JSON (or even a lua table) as a starting format.

I don’t understand how a custom rendering relates to the input database? My bib database is already complete, and I find the format much more comfortable to write than XML. Hraban