Hi, I would write a french & german intro-source for (quasi absolute) newcomers which need to have a working system producing PDF texts. But I know nothing about ConTeXt. therefor I cant do anything without your help. A first series of question: -. For a newcommer, is Mk II the best choice ? -. Is it necessary to know TeX ? or Is ConTeXt (CTX) compatible with TeX ? I wish to alternate french & german texts (so they can be translated in other languages). rb "" Wanderer, kommst du nach LuaTeX, dann hoff nicht zuviel, sonst hast du PeX """ ;-)
On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 2:01 PM, R. Bastian
Hi,
I would write a french & german intro-source for (quasi absolute) newcomers which need to have a working system producing PDF texts.
But I know nothing about ConTeXt. therefor I cant do anything without your help. A first series of question:
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-. For a newcommer, is Mk II the best choice ?
yes
-. Is it necessary to know TeX ?
yes
or Is ConTeXt (CTX) compatible with TeX ?
yes -- luigi
2009/5/14 luigi scarso
I would write a french & german intro-source for (quasi absolute) newcomers which need to have a working system producing PDF texts. But I know nothing about ConTeXt.
On the one hand it's a good idea to write an introduction / a tutorial for something you don't know, because you'll learn it that way. On the other hand it's a very bad idea to write about something you don't know. On the third hand I'm just writing a German introduction for someone who will use ConTeXt MkIV for scripts of a private medical school. As soon as it's usable, I'll release it open source. There are my old intro slides at http://www.fiee.net/texnique/?menu=0-1-1&lang=de - but they're from 2003 and thus heavily outdated. Greetlings, Hraban
On Thu, 14 May 2009 14:45:20 +0200
Henning Hraban Ramm
2009/5/14 luigi scarso
: I would write a french & german intro-source for (quasi absolute) newcomers which need to have a working system producing PDF texts. But I know nothing about ConTeXt.
On the one hand it's a good idea to write an introduction / a tutorial for something you don't know, because you'll learn it that way. On the other hand it's a very bad idea to write about something you don't know.
On the third hand I'm just writing a German introduction for someone who will use ConTeXt MkIV for scripts of a private medical school. As soon as it's usable, I'll release it open source.
There are my old intro slides at http://www.fiee.net/texnique/?menu=0-1-1&lang=de - but they're from 2003 and thus heavily outdated.
Very fine. I will study the source.
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2009/5/14 R. Bastian
I would write a french & german intro-source for (quasi absolute) newcomers which need to have a working system producing PDF texts. But I know nothing about ConTeXt. therefor I cant do anything without your help. A first series of question:
-. Is it necessary to know TeX ? no, if you know Wolfgang :-D
Regards -- Diego Depaoli
On Thu, 14 May 2009, R. Bastian wrote:
Hi,
I would write a french & german intro-source for (quasi absolute) newcomers which need to have a working system producing PDF texts.
But I know nothing about ConTeXt. therefor I cant do anything without your help. A first series of question:
-. For a newcommer, is Mk II the best choice ?
Yes. But the only major difference (from the user's point of view) in MkII and MkIV is typescript definitions. Other commands are mostly same.
-. Is it necessary to know TeX ?
For the most part no. You can use ConTeXt without knowing anything about catcodes, text encodings (always use unicode), \hbox and \vbox (use \framed etc), and \halign (use tables and mathalignments). You need to know a bit about font handling, but ConTeXt does that completely differently from TeX.
or Is ConTeXt (CTX) compatible with TeX ?
It is compatible in the sense that a plain tex document will work in Context. You may not always get the same output as the defaults are different.
I wish to alternate french & german texts (so they can be translated in other languages).
Also see http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_on_Excursion%2C_translations The wiki page is old and the svn repo is not accessible right now, but someone started translating it into french. Aditya
On Thu, 14 May 2009 09:49:46 -0400 (EDT)
Aditya Mahajan
On Thu, 14 May 2009, R. Bastian wrote:
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I wish to alternate french & german texts (so they can be translated in other languages).
Also see http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_on_Excursion%2C_translations
The wiki page is old and the svn repo is not accessible right now, but someone started translating it into french.
Thanks, but I will write the source in the following manner: -------------------- \german Was meinst Du? \bavarian Woas moanst? \french Que veux-tu dire ? ------------------------ It is not necessaury to make texian acrobaties: the extraction can be done by a little Python-script
Aditya ___________________________________________________________________________________
Am 14.05.2009 um 17:12 schrieb R. Bastian:
Thanks, but I will write the source in the following manner: -------------------- \german
Was meinst Du?
\bavarian
Woas moanst?
\french Que veux-tu dire ?
When you want you complete document in one language you can write \startmode[de] Was meinst du? \stopmode \startmode[fr] Que veux-tu dire ? \stopmode and call context with "context --modes=de filename" for the german version. For a version with the text for two languages on facing pages you can use your example code as it is with the streams module. Wolfgang
R. Bastian wrote:
-. Is it necessary to know TeX ?
I assume it depends on what you are planning to do with ConTeXt. I've been using ConTeXt for at least five years now, but I've never touched TeX (nor LaTeX nor any others, just ConTeXt). I've got a vague idea what it is about and that's it. Some points though: - background in something else than WYSIWYG editing (What You See Is What You Get = Word, for example) helps a lot. Before I started with ConTeXt I'd already done my share of html and I've learned to do structured documents also in word processing (i.e. "mark it heading 1" instead of "make that big and black). - I do ConTeXt pretty much with the "learn-as-you-go" philosophy and when I really have to learn something, I'm pretty determined; most of my ConTeXt usage is at work and if something needs to be done, it has to get done and I can't back off if it seems difficult first. (It took me two days, lot of swearing and a few questions on this mailing list to achieve my first ConTeXt doc in Cyrillic, but I did it in the end. Now it is of course as easy as can be...) - depends on the operationg system and user's backgrouns, too. Those who've used linux/mainframe are probably less likely to be upset by ConTeXt while your average Mac/Windows user may go crazy at the steep start of the learning curve; I'd done some unix and that definitely increased my tolerance. There are days when I swear and yell and curse myself for going over from Word to ConTeXt. But on 9 days out of 10 I pat myself on the back for making the switch. Especially on those styles when MS Word defies all of my attempts to keep a document structurally styled... That's my five cents, Mari
participants (7)
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Aditya Mahajan
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Diego Depaoli
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Henning Hraban Ramm
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luigi scarso
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Mari Voipio
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R. Bastian
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Wolfgang Schuster