OT Best font for online viewing.
built a document using the encoding for Palatino thus: \usetypescript[berry][ec] \usetypescript[palatino][ec] \setupbodyfont[palatino,12pt] The good news is I got the Palladio version of Palatino according to Acrobat Reader 5.05. The bad news is that the characters are distorted. When I blow them up 400% then they look OK. In particular the capital T looks like someone trimmed part of the top bar with a router. But lc letters look funky as well. I know Lucida Bright is the favorite font for on-line use in pragma-nl. But is there a regular (like, free) Adobe Font that looks OK when used with Acrobat Reader? Or is there some other setup improvement I need to make? In GV the glyphs look a bit ragged but the artifacts like the chopped up capital T are not present. So it is an Acrobat weakness. But Acrobat Reader is the name of the game for e-books. ____________________________________________________________ Free 20MB Web Site Hosting and Personalized E-mail Service! Get It Now At Doteasy.com http://www.doteasy.com/et/
John Culleton
pragma-nl. But is there a regular (like, free) Adobe Font that looks OK when used with Acrobat Reader?
I sometimes use dolly typeface for online presentations. As far as I know, it is free for non-commercial use. See www.underware.nl.
Or is there some other setup improvement I need to make?
Slightly increase or decrease the resolution. Use different papersize or alike. Patrick
Patrick Gundlach wrote:
John Culleton
writes: Hello John,
pragma-nl. But is there a regular (like, free) Adobe Font that looks OK when used with Acrobat Reader?
I sometimes use dolly typeface for online presentations. As far as I know, it is free for non-commercial use. See www.underware.nl.
Sadly, the designers have a different opinion: http://www.underware.nl/site2/index.php3?id1=dolly&id2=priceinfo says: What will Dolly cost? 1 user: 150,- Euro 2 users: 200,- Euro 5 users: 300,- Euro 10 users: 500,- Euro
drymartini@gmx.de (Robbie Pickering) writes: Hello Robbie,
I sometimes use dolly typeface for online presentations. As far as I know, it is free for non-commercial use. See www.underware.nl.
Sadly, the designers have a different opinion:
http://www.underware.nl/site2/index.php3?id1=dolly&id2=priceinfo says:
What will Dolly cost?
1 user: 150,- Euro
That is for commercial use as far as I can remember. There is a small book (in german) http://www.koppmedien.de/produktdetail.php?nr=12329 that includes the typeface for EUR 10,20. (I don't remember what format it is in, ttf?) There was a discussion a while ago in the german tex list about this typeface, and a local font guru stated that in the licence term it is written that non commercial use is free. Just mail the designers and ask :) Patrick
John Culleton
I know Lucida Bright is the favorite font for on-line use in pragma-nl. But is there a regular (like, free) Adobe Font that looks OK when used with Acrobat Reader? Or is there some other setup improvement I need to make?
Don't know about Adobe, but I use Bitstream Charter with LuxiMono and Euler (thanks Adam) for slides, which I consider quite robust. Haven't made up my mind about a matching sans serif font yet though. Cheers Johannes -- Johannes Hüsing There is something fascinating about science. One gets hannes@ruhrau.de such wholesale returns of conjecture from such a trifling investment of fact. Mark Twain
On Mon, 12 May 2003 15:48:42 -0400
John Culleton
The good news is I got the Palladio version of Palatino according to Acrobat Reader 5.05. The bad news is that the characters are distorted. When I blow them up 400% then they look OK.
is smoothing of text enabled in AR?
I know Lucida Bright is the favorite font for on-line use in pragma-nl. But is there a regular (like, free) Adobe Font that looks OK when used with Acrobat Reader?
the old StarOffice 5.2 includes Type1-fonts of LucidaBright, LucidaSans and LucidaMono but no math fonts. Maybe you can get SO5.2 from somewhere. TFMs and VFs are available from http://home.vr-web.de/was/fonts ; ConTeXt typescripts you can get from me. Jens
On Mon, 12 May 2003 15:48:42 -0400
John Culleton
I know Lucida Bright is the favorite font for on-line use in pragma-nl. But is there a regular (like, free) Adobe Font that looks OK when used with Acrobat Reader? Or is there some other setup improvement I need to make?
Charter, Bookman and Utopia are free and are worth a try. I agree that Acrobat doesn't render Palatino very nicely at small sizes. You've done everything correctly in ConTeXt, and I'm sure it would print out nicely on a high-res printer. I've seen discussions of "fonts suitable for low-res display", generally in the context of web browsers. But we also have the factor of "what does Acrobat render nicely?" which is a different topic, of which I'm ignorant. I use the free MS Georgia truetype font in my browser and it works pretty well; the numerals are old-stype by default. Rather complete set of glyphs but no kerning. As an experiment I installed it into the tex directories using the truetype procedure described on my help page. Looks nice; maybe better than the other free fonts. I'll post a sample if anyone wants to see it. I checked the MS site for licensing info but was a bit overwhelmed. "Embedding is encouraged" but I didn't see a definite "yes, it's legal." I'd check more closely if I wanted to use it for a public project. Looking at Luc_Devroye's site (http://cgm.cs.mcgill.ca/~luc/fonts.html) it is clear that most of the world's free fonts are in truetype. -Bill -- Sattre Press Tales of War http://sattre-press.com/ by Lord Dunsany info@sattre-press.com http://tow.sattre-press.com/
On Tuesday 13 May 2003 09:50 am, Bill McClain wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2003 15:48:42 -0400
John Culleton
wrote: I know Lucida Bright is the favorite font for on-line use in pragma-nl. But is there a regular (like, free) Adobe Font that looks OK when used with Acrobat Reader? Or is there some other setup improvement I need to make?
Charter, Bookman and Utopia are free and are worth a try. I agree that Acrobat doesn't render Palatino very nicely at small sizes. You've done everything correctly in ConTeXt, and I'm sure it would print out nicely on a high-res printer.
But of course the printer is not the target in this case; the online viewer using AR is. For a temporary solution I have fallen back to (drumroll) the default CM which in pdftex is the Type 1 conversion thereof. It is a bit spidery but it is handsomer than the Palladio in the viewer window. As time permits I will play with some others per your and others suggestions. For all flavors of TeX fonts are the last major stumbling block. As we chip away at that problem we render Tex/Context to be more practical for the many who spend significant bucks on Pagemaker, InDesign, Quark, Framemaker, Ventura et al. TFYH John Culleton ____________________________________________________________ Free 20MB Web Site Hosting and Personalized E-mail Service! Get It Now At Doteasy.com http://www.doteasy.com/et/
On Tue, 13 May 2003 14:02:50 -0400
John Culleton
For a temporary solution I have fallen back to (drumroll) the default CM which in pdftex is the Type 1 conversion thereof. It is a bit spidery but it is handsomer than the Palladio in the viewer window. As time permits I will play with some others per your and others suggestions.
Here are CM, Bookman, Charter, Palatino, Utopia, and Georgia in one document, all 12pt: http://home.salamander.com/~wmcclain/comparison.pdf Charter, Utopia, and Georgia all look pretty good at screen resolution. -Bill -- Sattre Press Tales of War http://sattre-press.com/ by Lord Dunsany info@sattre-press.com http://tow.sattre-press.com/
Bitstream recently has published the ten free Vera fonts (.ttf), which are e. g. used as screen fonts by the gnome project. They should be optimized for screen use, and therefore also for online use. See www.gnome.org/fonts/ and www.bitstream.com/categories/news/press/2003_bitstream/012203_gnome.htm They may also be a candidate for shipping with teTeX. Greetings Hartmut ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dr.-Ing. Hartmut Henkel, Oftersheim, Germany ------------------------------------------------------------------------
On Tue, 13 May 2003 14:02:50 -0400
John Culleton
wrote: For a temporary solution I have fallen back to (drumroll) the default CM which in pdftex is the Type 1 conversion thereof. It is a bit spidery but it is handsomer than the Palladio in the viewer window. As time permits I will play with some others per your and others suggestions.
Here are CM, Bookman, Charter, Palatino, Utopia, and Georgia in one document, all 12pt:
http://home.salamander.com/~wmcclain/comparison.pdf
Charter, Utopia, and Georgia all look pretty good at screen resolution.
-Bill Now that is a useful file! One can not only admire the appearance but by checking the top line of each section get a feel for the spreadiness of the characters. The Georgia font seems to be the best, but it is a Microsoft font that comes in a PC version and a Mac version. Are both versions truetype? If so what gyrations did you go
On Tuesday 13 May 2003 03:42 pm, Bill McClain wrote: through to make it pdftex/context ready? BTW I had another ttf I was trying to use but ttf2afm can't seem to find it even if I fully qualify the name. So maybe I have to recompile ttf2afm. My binary version was found in /usr/TeX/source/bin/i686-pc-linux-gnu/ttf2afm but it doesn't seem to want to play on my system. Font-chasing reminds me of the old children's song about the bear that went over the mountain only to find another mountain in his way. TFYH John Culleton ____________________________________________________________ Free 20MB Web Site Hosting and Personalized E-mail Service! Get It Now At Doteasy.com http://www.doteasy.com/et/
On Tuesday, May 13, 2003, at 07:17 PM, John Culleton wrote:
The Georgia font seems to be the best, but it is a Microsoft font that comes in a PC version and a Mac version. Are both versions truetype?
Yes.
If so what gyrations did you go through to make it pdftex/context ready?
I'm not sure how Bill did this, but probably the easiest way is to use ttf2tex, and then you're just left writing a typescript (unless someone wants to figure out what Bash code to add to get it to create them automatically, as it does with LaTeX fd files). Bruce
On Tue, 13 May 2003 19:17:40 -0400
John Culleton
The Georgia font seems to be the best, but it is a Microsoft font that comes in a PC version and a Mac version. Are both versions truetype? If so what gyrations did you go through to make it pdftex/context ready?
I'm using the version that came with my Linux X11, as packaged by SuSE: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/truetype/georgia.ttf "file" says "MS-Windows true type font .ttf". The gyrations are described on my help page in the Truetype section: http://home.salamander.com/~wmcclain/context-help.html#newfont-truetype As Bruce says, ttf2tex may be a simpler procedure, but I haven't used it. I've attached the source to comparison.pdf. -Bill -- Sattre Press Tales of War http://sattre-press.com/ by Lord Dunsany info@sattre-press.com http://tow.sattre-press.com/
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Bill McClain
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Bruce D'Arcus
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drymartini@gmx.de
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Hartmut Henkel
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Jens-Uwe Morawski
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Johannes Hüsing
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John Culleton
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Patrick Gundlach