curspace=2.55in should be cutspace=2.55in On Aug 21, 2006, at 3:12 AM, richard rascher-friesenhausen wrote:

Hans Hagen schrieb:

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richard rascher-friesenhausen wrote:

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Hello,

i have a simple (?) layout question. I want to typeset a doublesided text with a larger margin on one side. This margin will be filled with 'margin images' or 'margin remarks'. But sometimes, larger images have to be placed in the text+margin.

Which commands, options or setups are correct, to get the same results on odd and even pages? In the attached pdf file, odd and even pages behave different, using a simple setup (see tex file).

it's dangerous to use dimensions in \setuplayout that get set themselves

also, textwidth is for special purposed and special effects, not to be used here (spoils things)

\setuppapersize[A4][A4]

\setuplayout [width=middle, backspace=.75in, curspace=2.55in, leftmargin=.50in, margindistance=.25in, rightmargin=2.3in]

\setuppagenumbering[alternative={singlesided,doublesided}]

\starttext

The very first page with a small image in the (bigger) margin.

\placefigure [inright]{a margin image} {\framed[width=\marginwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\input tufte

An now a larger image in the text and margin are

\placefigure [here,inright]{a text+margin image} {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\inmargin{Tufte text} \input tufte \page

The second page with a small image in the (bigger) margin.

\placefigure [inright] {a margin image} {\framed[width=\rightmarginwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\input tufte

An now a larger image in the text and margin are

\placefigure [here,inright] {a text+margin image} {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\inmargin{Tufte text} \input tufte \page

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Thanks for the quick response.

I have some questions about your code, because it does not fullfill all my wishes.

The command \inmargin now correctly puts its text on the correct side on even and odd pages. But i would like to have the same behaviour for the figures too. In a longer script, TeX should know, if the margin image has to be placed left or right. So 'inright' or 'inleft' is not an option. And 'margin' does not work ... (the image is placed mostly outside the page). In your code, the long image on the second page does not start in the left margin, as desired.

%-------- % output=pdf \setuppapersize[A4][A4]

\setuplayout [%width=middle, backspace=.75in, curspace=2.55in, leftmargin=.50in, margindistance=.25in, rightmargin=2.3in]

\setuppagenumbering[alternative={doublesided}]

\starttext

The very first page with a small image in the (bigger) margin.

\placefigure [margin]{a margin image} {\framed[width=\marginwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\input tufte

And now a larger image in the text and margin

\placefigure [here,inright]{a text+margin image} {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\inmargin{Tufte text} \input tufte \page

The second page with a small image in the (bigger) margin.

\placefigure [margin] {a margin image} {\framed[width=\marginwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\input tufte

And now a larger image in the text and margin

\placefigure [here,inleft] {a text+margin image} {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\inmargin{Tufte text} \input tufte \page %--------

Any help appreciated richard

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On Tue, 22 Aug 2006, richard rascher-friesenhausen wrote:

images are now on the paper. But the problem with the tex+margin on the *second* page is not solved. I tried

\placefigure [here,inleft] {a text+margin image} {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\placefigure [here,inmargin] {a text+margin image} {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

but the image does not move into the margin.

Did you try copy/paste Hans code? Notice \setuppagenumbering[alternative={singlesided,doublesided}] I do not really understand what that means, but With that, the float go to the "correct" margin. Aditya

Aditya Mahajan schrieb:

On Tue, 22 Aug 2006, richard rascher-friesenhausen wrote:

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images are now on the paper. But the problem with the tex+margin on the *second* page is not solved. I tried

\placefigure [here,inleft] {a text+margin image} {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\placefigure [here,inmargin] {a text+margin image} {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

but the image does not move into the margin.

Did you try copy/paste Hans code? Notice

\setuppagenumbering[alternative={singlesided,doublesided}]

I do not really understand what that means, but With that, the float go to the "correct" margin.

Aditya

Yes, i tried the code. But the generated output is not doublesided. And then there is no problem. Therefore i removed the option 'singlesided' (i do not know the meaning of the combination of both either). Now the output is doublesided. But i have to bother with 'inleft' and 'inright', which i do not want to :-( And the text+margin image does not bleed into the margin... I think, there was once another post on this list, looking for a nearly identical layout of figures. But i lost track of the postings. richard -- ============================================================================== Richard Rascher-Friesenhausen MeVis -- Centrum fuer Medizinische Diagnosesysteme und Visualisierung GmbH Universitaetsallee 29 D-28359 Bremen email: richard@mevis.de, richard.rascher-friesenhausen@hs-bremerhaven.de www : http://www.mevis.de/, http://www.hs-bremerhaven.de/ fon : +49 - 421 - 218 7707 (mevis) fax : +49 - 421 - 218 4236 (mevis) ==============================================================================

Hans Hagen schrieb:

did you read details.pdf ? Lots of margin stuff with figures in there

Hans

Hello, this weekend i looked a bit into details.pdf an came up with a solution of my figure placing problem: % output=pdf %======================================================================= % begin of file *layout-test.tex* %======================================================================= % richard@mevis.de % layout %----------------------------------------------------------------------- \setuppapersize[A4][A4] \setuplayout[width=middle, cutspace=2.3in, margindistance=.25in, leftmargin=0.5in,rightmargin=2.3in] \setuplayout[backspace=\dimexpr(\leftmarginwidth+\leftmargindistance)] \setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided] % float defs %----------------------------------------------------------------------- \definefloat[marginfigure][marginfigures] \setupfloat[marginfigure][minwidth=\rightmarginwidth, location=middle, default={outermargin,here}] \definefloat[textmarginfigure][textmarginfigures] \setupfloat[textmarginfigure][location=inner] \showframe %======================================================================= \starttext %======================================================================= \placelistoffigures \placelistofmarginfigures \placelistoftextmarginfigures \hairline The very first page with a small image in the (bigger) margin. \placemarginfigure{a margin image} {\framed[width=\marginwidth,height=3cm]{image}} \inmargin{Tufte text} \input tufte And now a larger image in the text and margin \placetextmarginfigure{a text+margin image} {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}} \dorecurse{14}{Some text. } \placefigure{a text image} {\framed[width=.3\textwidth,height=1cm]{text image}} \dorecurse{14}{Some text.~} %----------------------------------------------------------------------- \page %----------------------------------------------------------------------- The second page with a small image in the (bigger) margin. \placemarginfigure{a margin image} {\framed[width=\marginwidth,height=3cm]{image}} \input tufte And now a larger image in the text and margin \placetextmarginfigure{a text+margin image} {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}} \inmargin{Tufte text} \input tufte \placefigure{a text image} {\framed[width=.3\textwidth,height=1cm]{text image}} %======================================================================= \stoptext %======================================================================= % end of file *layout-test.tex* %======================================================================= Now, the figures are at my desired places. But i have three different kinds of figures and three different lists of figures. 1) Is it possible, to have only one list of figures, numbering all figures with the same counter? My first attempts with \definecombinedlist did not work. 2) The \inmargin{Tufte Text} on the first page places the text in one line, the same command on the second page needs two lines! Why? richard -- ============================================================================== Prof. Dr. Richard Rascher-Friesenhausen MeVis -- Centrum fuer Medizinische Diagnosesysteme und Visualisierung GmbH Universitaetsallee 29 D-28359 Bremen als auch Hochschule Bremerhaven An der Karlsstadt 8 27568 Bremerhaven email: richard@mevis.de, richard.rascher-friesenhausen@hs-bremerhaven.de www : http://www.mevis.de/, http://www.hs-bremerhaven.de/ fon : +49 - 421 - 218 7707 (mevis) fax : +49 - 421 - 218 4236 (mevis) ==============================================================================

nico wrote:

On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 10:58:58 +0200, richard rascher-friesenhausen wrote:

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Hans Hagen schrieb:

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did you read details.pdf ? Lots of margin stuff with figures in there

Hans

Hello,

this weekend i looked a bit into details.pdf an came up with a solution of my figure placing problem: [...]

Now, the figures are at my desired places. But i have three different kinds of figures and three different lists of figures.

1) Is it possible, to have only one list of figures, numbering all figures with the same counter? My first attempts with \definecombinedlist did not work.

Defining a new float gives another floating object with its own counter,

\definefloat[myfloat][figure] will give you \myfloat which inherits from \figure

list, etc.

Maybe you can stay with only one kind of float. The following looks like the expected rendering, but I don't understand the default placement of the second large figure.

\setuppapersize[A4][A4]

\setuplayout[width=middle, cutspace=2.3in, margindistance=.25in, leftmargin=0.5in,rightmargin=2.3in] \setuplayout[backspace=\dimexpr(\leftmarginwidth+\leftmargindistance)]

\setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided]

% float defs %----------------------------------------------------------------------- \setupfloat[figure][minwidth=\rightmarginwidth, criterium=\rightmarginwidth, location=middle, default={outermargin,here}]

\showframe %======================================================================= \starttext %======================================================================= \placelistoffigures \hairline

The very first page with a small image in the (bigger) margin. \placefigure {a margin image} {\framed[width=\marginwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\inmargin{Tufte text} \input tufte

And now a larger image in the text and margin \placefigure[inner]{a text+margin image} {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\dorecurse{14}{Some text. }

\placefigure[middle]{a text image} {\framed[width=.3\textwidth,height=1cm]{text image}}

\dorecurse{14}{Some text.~}

%----------------------------------------------------------------------- \page %-----------------------------------------------------------------------

The second page with a small image in the (bigger) margin. \placefigure {a margin image} {\framed[width=\marginwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\input tufte

And now a larger image in the text and margin % % Default placement sounds strange to me... % Force with middle to have the entire figure visible % %\placefigure{a text+margin image} \placefigure[middle]{a text+margin image} {\framed[width=1.2\textwidth,height=3cm]{image}}

\inmargin{Tufte text} \input tufte

\placefigure[middle]{a text image} {\framed[width=.3\textwidth,height=1cm]{text image}}

\stoptext

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nico wrote:

On Mon, 28 Aug 2006 21:42:10 +0200, Hans Hagen wrote:

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nico wrote:

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1) Is it possible, to have only one list of figures, numbering all figures with the same counter? My first attempts with \definecombinedlist did not work.

Defining a new float gives another floating object with its own counter,

\definefloat[myfloat][figure]

will give you \myfloat which inherits from \figure

Hm, the setup is inherited, but it has its own counter, its own label, etc. isn't it?

sorry, wrong command \definefloat[myfigure][myfigures][figure] the second arg is the plural, the third the parent Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

hello 1 I have footnotes in titles and as title a appers in all right pages, the litle number appears too, but adding 1 each page it appears. 2 IŽm placing figures, but I get a gray square that says: name:thename file: thefile status:unknown texexec says "file thefile has zero dimensions" 4 times and "file the file not found". Files are 1 bit Potoshop tif, or 8 bit photoshop tif or 8 bit gimp tif. Images and tex file are inthe same directoy. Tahnkyou very much. _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/

thankyou very much. png is a compressed format?

From: Mari Voipio Reply-To: Mari Voipio ,mailing list for ConTeXt users To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Subject: Re: [NTG-context] figures and footnotes Date: Tue, 29 Aug 2006 17:01:45 +0300 (EEST)

On Tue, 29 Aug 2006, Horacio Suarez wrote:

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Files are 1 bit Potoshop tif, or 8 bit photoshop tif or 8 bit gimp tif.

According to ConTeXt wiki (wiki.contextgarden.net), tif(f) is NOT a generally accepted file format in ConTeXt, some systems process it, but most don't. As I process ConTeXt straight into pdf (in Windows, using the wincontext distribution), I used jpg and png as bitmap file formats and that has been successful this far - so you may want to try another figure file format.

See http://wiki.contextgarden.net/File_Formats for up-to-date information about what formats work with what configurations, the information in at least my version of the big manual (chapter 13) is partly obsolete.

Mari (who's gotten her share of grey squares while working with ConTeXt...)

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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 10:11:37 +0200, richard rascher-friesenhausen wrote:

nico schrieb:

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Defining a new float gives another floating object with its own counter, list, etc.

Maybe you can stay with only one kind of float. The following looks like the expected rendering, but I don't understand the default placement of the second large figure.

% float defs %----------------------------------------------------------------------- \setupfloat[figure][minwidth=\rightmarginwidth, criterium=\rightmarginwidth, location=middle, default={outermargin,here}]

Thanks for that solution. It solves the problem with the list of figures. But for the text+margin figures i have to look, if they are placed on an odd or even page, to set the placing correctly. They should always be shifted to the outer margin. But your solution avoids the extra definition of margin images.

Yes, I don't understand why it behaves like this. I thought that it would be put in the middle.

Do you know the meanings of the criterium. minwidth and maxwidth options of \setupfloat and how they interact with each other and with default?

It's explained in details.pdf. In brief, for margin floats: criterium=<width>: says that when the figure width is greater than <width>, the figure is put in the text area. When the figure width is less than <width>, it is put in the default specified margin (here: outermargin). default=<setting>: default setting for that kind of float, including the chosen placement area (outermargin), until the criterium is reached. maxwidth=<width>: gives the alignment delimiter in the margin, so that the figure will not go outside the specified width in the margin, but it will grow in the text area instead. minwidth=<width>: ensures that the figure can take at least this width, so that if the figure width is smaller (and location=middle) it will be centered in this area. I hope there's no missunderstanding in these explainations (others can tell). Anyway, it cannot be better than the details doc that shows how it looks. Regards, BG