Yes, Adam, that works. Though it can be a laborious solution, since it means creating keys for everything in a sub entry list (and I have many instances, 40 or more in some cases). However, I did not ask for a 'simple' solution, just a solution! Thank you. Julian On 1/2/22 11:09, Adam Reviczky wrote:

Hi Julian,

How about using the keys in every instance?

\setupregister[index][n=1,method={zc,pc,zm,pm,uc},style=WORD] \defineprocessor[special][style=italic]

\starttext P\index[Plenary+periti]{Plenary Council+{\it periti} (experts)} B\index[Plenary+beriti]{Plenary Council+{\it beriti} (experts)} A\index[Plenary+aeriti]{Plenary Council+aeriti (experts)}

S\index[animals+special]{animals+‘special kinds’} B\index[animals+bpecial]{animals+bpecial} A\index[animals+apecial]{animals+‘apecial’} U\index[animals+upecial]{animals+‘upecial’} T\index[animals+tpecial]{animals+tpecial}

\placeindex \stoptext

See result in: https://live.contextgarden.net/cgi-bin/result.cgi?id=j46XhZ

Adam

On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 10:38 PM jbf via ntg-context wrote:

Let me come back to the unresolved (for me) question of two situations in sub entries to a book index (register). Sub entries that have formatting or sub entries that are surrounded by quote marks (straight or curly, it makes no difference) do not appear in the correct alphabetical order.

Two attempts on my part:

text before \index[Plenary+periti]{Plenary Council+{\it periti} (experts)} text after.

text before \index{animals+‘special kinds’} text after. Or alternatively, \index[animals+special]{animals+‘special kinds’}

The setup for my register is a pretty standard one. The processor is not for the 'periti' case above but I use it for book titles.

\setupregister[index][n=1,method={zc,pc,zm,pm,uc},style=WORD]

\defineprocessor[special][style=italic]

In the periti case it is the \it command that clearly interferes with correct alphabetic positioning in the sub entry list. Placing +periti in the key does not overcome that problem.

In the ‘special kinds’ case it is the initial single quote mark (‘) that causes the problem. The item comes last in the sub entry list. And if i include a key [special], then it comes first in the sub entry list. Either way, it is out of the desired sorting order.

I believe I have followed the helpful suggestions of various ones, but it is always possible that I have not fully understood those suggestions. The reality is that at the moment the issue remains unresolved for me. Any further wisdom out there to offer me?

Julian

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Thanks Robert, Initially I thought it would probably be Lua which could come up with a simple solution, though Hans had made it clear that 'messing with' the key was the way to go, and, as always, he was proven correct. I simply had to find out the best way to do the messing! But when time allows I will take a closer look at the Lua possibilities. Julian On 1/2/22 18:49, Robert via ntg-context wrote:

Hi Julian,

Another solution could be to use Lua.

I have a multilingual document in which some elements to be printed bold (Language 1), and collected in an index (trk) arranged according their (verbal) stems. Elements from Language 2 are to be printed in italics in the text and collected in a separate index.

In the present example the morphemes from Language 2 are separated by ::, the verbal stem ends in -.

In \\textbf the input is reproduced as is. Then interesting things happen in the index (trk).

The first element (until the first ::) is taken as an main entry in the index (hence !). Then the complete input is retained as the secondary entry. Note that in the index - separates the morphemes.

I use LuaLatex, but I am quite sure this is also possible in Context.

It is quite complex, but it works.

Robert

\newcommand{\TWI}[1]{\directlua{twi_help(\luastring{#1})}}

\begin{luacode} function twi_help ( s )    s = unicode.utf8.gsub (s, '^([^:]+)::([^:]+)::([^:]+)::([^:]+)::([^:]+)$' , '\\textbf{%1::%2::%3%::%4::%5}\\sindex%[trk%]{%#%1!%1%-%2%-%3%-%4-%5}’ )

  s = unicode.utf8.gsub … other action

\end{luacode}

\begin{document}

text text text text \TWI{dī-::dū::kin::dah} text text text text text

\end{document}

...

Op 1 feb. 2022, om 01:41 heeft jbf via ntg-context het volgende geschreven:

Yes, Adam, that works. Though it can be a laborious solution, since it means creating keys for everything in a sub entry list (and I have many instances, 40 or more in some cases). However, I did not ask for a 'simple' solution, just a solution! Thank you.

Julian

On 1/2/22 11:09, Adam Reviczky wrote:

...

Hi Julian,

How about using the keys in every instance?

\setupregister[index][n=1,method={zc,pc,zm,pm,uc},style=WORD] \defineprocessor[special][style=italic]

\starttext P\index[Plenary+periti]{Plenary Council+{\it periti} (experts)} B\index[Plenary+beriti]{Plenary Council+{\it beriti} (experts)} A\index[Plenary+aeriti]{Plenary Council+aeriti (experts)}

S\index[animals+special]{animals+‘special kinds’} B\index[animals+bpecial]{animals+bpecial} A\index[animals+apecial]{animals+‘apecial’} U\index[animals+upecial]{animals+‘upecial’} T\index[animals+tpecial]{animals+tpecial}

\placeindex \stoptext

See result in: https://live.contextgarden.net/cgi-bin/result.cgi?id=j46XhZ

Adam

On Mon, Jan 31, 2022 at 10:38 PM jbf via ntg-context wrote:

Let me come back to the unresolved (for me) question of two situations in sub entries to a book index (register). Sub entries that have formatting or sub entries that are surrounded by quote marks (straight or curly, it makes no difference) do not appear in the correct alphabetical order.

Two attempts on my part:

text before \index[Plenary+periti]{Plenary Council+{\it periti} (experts)} text after.

text before \index{animals+‘special kinds’} text after. Or alternatively, \index[animals+special]{animals+‘special kinds’}

The setup for my register is a pretty standard one. The processor is not for the 'periti' case above but I use it for book titles.

\setupregister[index][n=1,method={zc,pc,zm,pm,uc},style=WORD]

\defineprocessor[special][style=italic]

In the periti case it is the \it command that clearly interferes with correct alphabetic positioning in the sub entry list. Placing +periti in the key does not overcome that problem.

In the ‘special kinds’ case it is the initial single quote mark (‘) that causes the problem. The item comes last in the sub entry list. And if i include a key [special], then it comes first in the sub entry list. Either way, it is out of the desired sorting order.

I believe I have followed the helpful suggestions of various ones, but it is always possible that I have not fully understood those suggestions. The reality is that at the moment the issue remains unresolved for me. Any further wisdom out there to offer me?

Julian

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