It seems not possible to typeset in columns (\startcolumns[n=3]... \stopcolumns) within a \startframedtext...\stopframedtext. It all comes out in one long column. How can I accomplish this? yours sincerely, dr. H. van der Meer
Hans van der Meer wrote:
It seems not possible to typeset in columns (\startcolumns[n=3]... \stopcolumns) within a \startframedtext...\stopframedtext. It all comes out in one long column. How can I accomplish this?
For this, you have to use \starttextbackground (or \startbackground) instead of \startframedtext. Cheers, Taco
On Feb 20, 2006, at 10:34, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
Hans van der Meer wrote:
It seems not possible to typeset in columns (\startcolumns[n=3]... \stopcolumns) within a \startframedtext...\stopframedtext. It all comes out in one long column. How can I accomplish this?
For this, you have to use \starttextbackground
Thanks, but I am afraid it does not do what I have in mind. That is a frame of specific dimensions wherein the text is put in columns, like this -------------------- | line line line | | line line line | | line line line | -------------------- It does not matter if the columns become too long or the text too wide, like this -------------------- | line line line | | line line line | | line line line | | line line line | -------------------- line line line line line line because in that case I know I have to adapt fontsize, total contents etc. Is there a solution for this?
(or \startbackground)
\startbackground doesn't work: columns are not honored. Witness this example: \startbackground \startcolumns[n=3] \input tufte \stopcolumns \stopbackground
instead of \startframedtext.
Cheers, Taco
yours sincerely, dr. H. van der Meer
Taco Hoekwater wrote:
Hans van der Meer wrote:
because in that case I know I have to adapt fontsize, total contents etc. Is there a solution for this?
Not that I know of, but maybe something could be done using layers (not my area)?
it's up to Hans to wikify this: \setuplist [chapter] [before=\blank, after=\blank\setups{section:list}] % \startsetups section:list % \startsimplecolumns[n=2] % \placelist[section] % \stopsimplecolumns % \stopsetups \startsetups section:list \startframedtext[width=\textwidth] \startsimplecolumns[n=2] \placelist[section] \stopsimplecolumns \stopframedtext \stopsetups \starttext \title{Contents} \placelist[chapter] \chapter{whatever} \dorecurse{10}{\section{Oeps}} \chapter{whatever} \dorecurse{10}{\section{Oeps}} \stoptext ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
I have been experimenting with columnsets too. There I encounter the problem that I cannot set the distance between the columns at will. Neither lt columnsets force themselves into the frame. \starttextbackground doesn't help here, at most I get frames around the separate columns, not the thing that is wanted. The bad thing is, that LateX multicols inside a parbox does what is wanted. It would be too bad if such behaviour could not be duplicated in ConTeXt! yours sincerely, dr. H. van der Meer On Feb 20, 2006, at 10:34, Taco Hoekwater wrote:
Hans van der Meer wrote:
It seems not possible to typeset in columns (\startcolumns[n=3]... \stopcolumns) within a \startframedtext...\stopframedtext. It all comes out in one long column. How can I accomplish this?
For this, you have to use \starttextbackground (or \startbackground) instead of \startframedtext.
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On Feb 20, 2006, at 16:18, Hans van der Meer wrote:
I have been experimenting with columnsets too. There I encounter the problem that I cannot set the distance between the columns at will.
That has been solved. Just had to dig a little deeper in columns.pdf and iron out my bugs. I will now first pursue Hans Hagens suggestion of using setuplists.
Neither lt columnsets force themselves into the frame. \starttextbackground doesn't help here, at most I get frames around the separate columns, not the thing that is wanted.
The bad thing is, that LateX multicols inside a parbox does what is wanted. It would be too bad if such behaviour could not be duplicated in ConTeXt!
yours sincerely, dr. H. van der Meer
Hans van der Meer wrote:
On Feb 20, 2006, at 16:18, Hans van der Meer wrote:
I have been experimenting with columnsets too. There I encounter the problem that I cannot set the distance between the columns at will.
That has been solved. Just had to dig a little deeper in columns.pdf and iron out my bugs. I will now first pursue Hans Hagens suggestion of using setuplists.
Unless HH knows more about your use-case than what you've sent to the list, it looks like it can be summarised as: \startframedtext[width=\textwidth] \startsimplecolumns[n=2] \input knuth \stopsimplecolumns \stopframedtext \setuplist doesn't enter into it, other than his demonstration. -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Adam T. Lindsay, Computing Dept. atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk Lancaster University, InfoLab21 +44(0)1524/510.514 Lancaster, LA1 4WA, UK Fax:+44(0)1524/510.492 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
I had already experimented with simplecolumns, because these can be placed within framed and at first did seem to do the trick. But the problem I then encountered -- and could not see how to correct that -- is balancing of the columns, both at normal linespacing and with fixed lineskip. The bottomline of the columns is not consistently comeing out straight. It is then also difficult to get the whitespace above and below at equal size. Is there a solution? yours sincerely, dr. H. van der Meer On Feb 20, 2006, at 15:19, Hans Hagen wrote:
Taco Hoekwater wrote:
Hans van der Meer wrote:
because in that case I know I have to adapt fontsize, total contents etc. Is there a solution for this?
Not that I know of, but maybe something could be done using layers (not my area)?
it's up to Hans to wikify this:
\setuplist [chapter] [before=\blank, after=\blank\setups{section:list}]
% \startsetups section:list % \startsimplecolumns[n=2] % \placelist[section] % \stopsimplecolumns % \stopsetups
\startsetups section:list \startframedtext[width=\textwidth] \startsimplecolumns[n=2] \placelist[section] \stopsimplecolumns \stopframedtext \stopsetups
\starttext
\title{Contents}
\placelist[chapter]
\chapter{whatever} \dorecurse{10}{\section{Oeps}}
\chapter{whatever} \dorecurse{10}{\section{Oeps}}
\stoptext
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Hans van der Meer wrote:
I had already experimented with simplecolumns, because these can be placed within framed and at first did seem to do the trick. But the problem I then encountered -- and could not see how to correct that -- is balancing of the columns, both at normal linespacing and with fixed lineskip. The bottomline of the columns is not consistently comeing out straight. It is then also difficult to get the whitespace above and below at equal size. Is there a solution?
actually, pdftex now has a feature to manipulate lineheights/depths but i will start using that when i'm sure that this version of pdftex is widely spreak you can try to add struts, \startsimplecolumns \begstrut some text ... and more \endstrut \stopsimplecolumns ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
Hans van der Meer wrote:
I have been experimenting with columnsets too. There I encounter the problem that I cannot set the distance between the columns at will.
hm, one can set the distance for each column (isn't that in the columns.pdf manual?)
Neither lt columnsets force themselves into the frame. \starttextbackground doesn't help here, at most I get frames around the separate columns, not the thing that is wanted.
so what exactly is it that you want? you can have background behind columns
The bad thing is, that LateX multicols inside a parbox does what is wanted. It would be too bad if such behaviour could not be duplicated in ConTeXt!
column sas part of the text flow and columns inside a box are really differen things; one involves the otr, the other is a 'local vsplit'; the normal multi column handler can be used intermixed with one column mode and (unless one messes around with interline spacing because that will confuse vsplit) this should work well; the simple columns mechanism is just an enhanced vsplit; my guess is that multicols uses a different routine for both cases as well (at least at the flushing level) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
On Feb 20, 2006, at 23:56, Hans Hagen wrote:
Hans van der Meer wrote:
I had already experimented with simplecolumns, because these can be placed within framed and at first did seem to do the trick. But the problem I then encountered -- and could not see how to correct that -- is balancing of the columns, both at normal linespacing and with fixed lineskip. The bottomline of the columns is not consistently comeing out straight. It is then also difficult to get the whitespace above and below at equal size. Is there a solution?
actually, pdftex now has a feature to manipulate lineheights/depths but i will start using that when i'm sure that this version of pdftex is widely spreak
Thanks Hans. This remark pointed the way. It is so simple I nearly feel ashamed. \startsimplecolumns can be forced to a neat straight bottomline just by setting a \baselineskip without stretch or shrink. I therefore did: \baselineskip\bodyfontsize \advance\baselineskip (dimension) this extra space settable with [lineskip=dimension] in the calling command. By the way, I did this work in order to implement into ConTeXt the LaTeX files of Dennis van Dok's recent article in the NTG MAPS "Jewel case listings for mp3 cdroms". If the code seems stable enough, I will make it available through Dennis. yours sincerely, dr. H. van der Meer
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