john Culleton writes: Hello,

I have looked into Xindy for this job but the learning curve is pretty steep and the documentation pretty opaque. makeindex won't handle decimals for locators.

in the past when working on some books with the English/Croatian/Sanskrit(diacritics) using Xindy in companion with LyX/LaTeX was the only option to ger proper sorting. I was playing with the ConTeXt more than 10 years ago, but lack of proper docs was always keeping me back from fully embracing it. Today after checking (again) I see that there are even some printed books and MkIV/LuaTeX seems to be quite stable, so I wonder about ConTeXt's capabilities to generate index/glossary in regard to xindy which is powerful, but I never really grokked it properly? Other typesetting features of ConTeXt are certainly very tempting and along with Emacs/AUCTeX everything looks as very pleasant typesetting environment. @John: I'm curios if you were able to prepare desired index *without* makeindex/xindy? Sincerely, Gour --

Hans Hagen writes:

i don't know xindy but normally the context mkiv index mechanism is flexible enough (and it can be configured)

Here are some snippets from my old xindy setup... ;; define order of sorting runs (use-rule-set :run 0 :rule-set ("resolve-sanskrit-diacritics" "hr-alphabetize" "hr-ignore-special")) (use-rule-set :run 1 :rule-set ("hr-resolve-diacritics" "hr-ignore-special")) (use-rule-set :run 2 :rule-set ("hr-resolve-case" "hr-ignore-special")) (use-rule-set :run 3 :rule-set ("hr-resolve-special")) which says that the sorting should be done in the following order: first rules for sanskrit diacriticits, then alphabetic sort of Croatian (hr) characters etc. followed by another set of rules saying to sort Croatian diacritics (I was using latin2 encoding) etc. Here is example of resolve-sanskrit-diacritics: (define-rule-set "resolve-sanskrit-diacritics" :rules (("\\={(a)}" "\1" :bregexp :again) ("\\={\\i}" "i" :bregexp :again) ("\\={I}" "I" :bregexp :again) ("\\\.{(.)}" "\1" :bregexp :again) ("\\d{(r)}" "ri" :bregexp :again) ("\\d{(t)}" "\1" :bregexp :again) ("\\d{(T)}" "\1" :bregexp :again) ("\\d{(d)}" "\1" :bregexp :again) ("\\d{(n)}" "\1" :bregexp :again) ("\\d{(s)}" "š" :bregexp :again) ("\\d{(S)}" "Š" :bregexp :again) ("\\~{(.)}" "\1" :bregexp :again) ("\\'{(c)}" "ć" :bregexp :again) ("\\'{(C)}" "Ć." :bregexp :again) ("\\'{(s)}" "š" :bregexp :again) ("\\'{(S)}" "Š" :bregexp :again) )) which says that e.g. 'ṣ' which is pronounced similar to Croatian 'š' should go in the same letter-group, same with 'Ś' which goes to 'Š'. 'ṛ' is pronounced as 'ri' and it should goes in the letter group 'ri' etc. Of course, at that time, without proper Unicode support, it was a bit cumbersome but I was able to see everything properly in LyX as well as properly sorted in the final PDF/PS outputs. Is something like that possible in ConTeXt? Sincerely, Gour -- The working senses are superior to dull matter; mind is higher than the senses; intelligence is still higher than the mind; and he [the soul] is even higher than the intelligence.

Hans Hagen writes:

See sort-lan.lua ... you could define a pseudo-language for this and use that one for sorting. The actual sorting is driven by a sequence of steps that (can) involve uppercase, lowercase, shape, unicode, specific order etc.

It looks very good. Congratulations? Does it mean I can e.g. still use 'hr' as main language for writing and then use my pseudo language *just* for sorting purposes? Sincerely, Gour -- There is no possibility of one's becoming a yogī, O Arjuna, if one eats too much or eats too little, sleeps too much or does not sleep enough.

On 6/27/2014 10:05 AM, Gour wrote:

Hans Hagen writes:

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See sort-lan.lua ... you could define a pseudo-language for this and use that one for sorting. The actual sorting is driven by a sequence of steps that (can) involve uppercase, lowercase, shape, unicode, specific order etc.

It looks very good. Congratulations?

Does it mean I can e.g. still use 'hr' as main language for writing and then use my pseudo language *just* for sorting purposes?

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