alpha release / latin modern

Hans Hagen

3 Feb 2005 3 Feb '05

5:11 p.m.

Hi, I posted an alpha release. Main differences: - some efficiency changes in language parts needed for || extension - latin modern fonts instead of cmr/plr/csr/aer/vnr: fetch the cont-lmt.zip file if needed - david antos' wish, test for this: \unprotected \setuplanguage [cz] [\c!compoundhyphen=-, \c!leftcompoundhyphen=-, \c!rightcompoundhyphen=-] % \protect \starttext \def\test{|<|test|>| \dorecurse{100}{test||}test} \en \test \endgraf \nl \test \endgraf \de \test \endgraf \deo \test \endgraf \cz \test \endgraf \stoptext cz setting not yet in language files, test first Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Show replies by date

Idris Samawi Hamid

3 Feb 3 Feb

6:45 p.m.

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:11:29 +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:

...

Hi,

I posted an alpha release. Main differences:

<snip>

...

- latin modern fonts instead of cmr/plr/csr/aer/vnr:

fetch the cont-lmt.zip file if needed

Ok, but lm is (as far as I know) still not quite usable for e.g. my journal. I sent a list of needs to Jacko quite a while back but i don't know if they r being considerd or not. Basically we need a global old-style numeral option and to fix/add some accents. I'm ready to work with u and Jacko to get this done... Best Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523

Hans Hagen

4 Feb 4 Feb

9:11 a.m.

Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:

...

On Thu, 03 Feb 2005 18:11:29 +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:

...
Hi,

I posted an alpha release. Main differences:

<snip>

...
- latin modern fonts instead of cmr/plr/csr/aer/vnr:

fetch the cont-lmt.zip file if needed

Ok, but lm is (as far as I know) still not quite usable for e.g. my journal. I sent a list of needs to Jacko quite a while back but i don't know if they r being considerd or not. Basically we need a global old-style numeral option and to fix/add some accents. I'm ready to work with u and Jacko to get this done...

Are there things in cmr that are not in latin modern? Keep in mind that the math fonts are still cmr (although some day there may be extensions in that aera as well) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Idris Samawi Hamid

7 Feb 7 Feb

3:28 p.m.

Sorry 4 late response, was out of town... On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 10:11:40 +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:

...

Are there things in cmr that are not in latin modern?

No, but I use old-style numerals as default (as it should be in much of the liberal arts and critical scholarship). There are also a few accents that I have to make on the fly with (amateurish) macros, including the shorter bar over lower case <i> and some others. lm should provide all of this by default. Until lm develops further, can you make a virtual lm font (with typescripts etc) that defaults to old-style numerals? Then I can still use my accent macros (which of course defeats the whole raison d'etre of lm;->) till lm fixes/implements these. Also note that I'll explicitly credit Jacko/lm in the colophon of the next issue of my journal if we can fix this. Best Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523

Hans Hagen

3:41 p.m.

Idris Samawi Hamid wrote:

...

Sorry 4 late response, was out of town...

On Fri, 04 Feb 2005 10:11:40 +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:

...
Are there things in cmr that are not in latin modern?

No, but I use old-style numerals as default (as it should be in much of the liberal arts and critical scholarship). There are also a few accents that I have to make on the fly with (amateurish) macros, including the shorter bar over lower case <i> and some others. lm should provide all of this by default.

do you have a list of them: <name> <example of how to make them with a macro> Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Idris Samawi Hamid

6:30 p.m.

On Mon, 07 Feb 2005 16:41:30 +0100, Hans Hagen wrote:

...

...
There are also a few accents that I have to make on the fly with (amateurish) macros, including the shorter bar over lower case <i> and some others. lm should provide all of this by default.

do you have a list of them:

<name> <example of how to make them with a macro>

ok, everything is in the attached file aqc-trans.sty (also 2 b found in your private sanaah tree \texmf-var\tex\generic\sanaah). Most important: 1. \def\h#1{{\oalign{\relax#1\crcr\hidewidth\SHIFT{34}% \vbox to.2ex{\hbox{\char'25}\vss}\hidewidth}}} % this one fails when using m-bib so I have some workarounds in the attached file 2. \def\IBAR% {\leavevmode\vbox{\offinterlineskip\lineskip0.295ex% %\ialign{##\cr\USHIFT{120}\hbox to .27777em{\leaders\hrule height .067354ex\hfill}\SHIFT{1}\cr\i\cr}}} %\ialign{##\cr\USHIFT{120}\hfill\hbox to .21243em{\leaders\hrule height .067354ex\hfill}\hfill\SHIFT{1}\cr\i\cr}}} \ialign{##\cr\USHIFT{120}\hfill\hbox to .21243em{\leaders\hrule height .07ex\hfill}\hfill\SHIFT{1}\cr\i\cr}}} \definecharacter imacron {\IBAR} % ConTeXt-dependent! 3. \def\cupd{\leavevmode\USHIFT{14}\rotate[rotation=180,location=high]{\txx c}\SHIFT{14}} % ConTeXt dependent! \def\cupds{\leavevmode\USHIFT{21}\rotate[rotation=180,location=high]{\switchtobodyfont[small]\txx c}\SHIFT{14}} % ConTeXt dependent! \def\HAMZAH{\leavevmode\raise.9ex\hbox{\cupd}{}} \def\HAMZAHS{\leavevmode\raise.9ex\hbox{\cupds}{}} \def\AYN {\leavevmode\raise.9ex\hbox{\txx \USHIFT{1} c\SHIFT{0}}{}} %\def\AYN {\leavevmode\raise.9ex\hbox{\switchtobodyfont[small]\txx \USHIFT{1} c\SHIFT{1}}{}} \def\AYNS {\leavevmode\raise.9ex\hbox{\switchtobodyfont[small]\txx \USHIFT{1} c\SHIFT{1}}{}} \def\'{\HAMZAH} \def\`{\AYN} ======================== There may be a couple of more important ones, I need to check... Best Idris -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523

Adam Lindsay

3:45 p.m.

Idris Samawi Hamid said this at Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:28:43 -0700:

...

No, but I use old-style numerals as default

Out of curiosity, are the old-style numerals from CM (cmmi*, I presume) in any shapes other than roman? I had the impression there were no real italic or bold variants, but I could be wrong (and would love to know where to find them, in that case!). Cheers, adam -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Adam T. Lindsay, Computing Dept. atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk Lancaster University, InfoLab21 +44(0)1524/510.514 Lancaster, LA1 4WA, UK Fax:+44(0)1524/510.492 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Idris Samawi Hamid

6:17 p.m.

On Mon, 7 Feb 2005 15:45:29 +0000, Adam Lindsay wrote:

...

Idris Samawi Hamid said this at Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:28:43 -0700:

...
No, but I use old-style numerals as default

Out of curiosity, are the old-style numerals from CM (cmmi*, I presume) in any shapes other than roman? I had the impression there were no real italic or bold variants, but I could be wrong (and would love to know where to find them, in that case!).

There is a bold version for the 10pt case only (cmmib10), and I created a font switch \ob to use old-style bold at any bold size when necessary (no optcal scaling). \bf still switches to the optically-scaled bold, while \ob uses cmmib10's numerals: \definestyle [oldstylebold] [\ob] [] : \definefontsynonym [OldStyleSerif-Bold] [cmrosb10] %cmrosb10 is a virtual font that calls the numerals from %cmmib10 : \definefontsynonym [SerifBold] [OldStyleSerif-Bold] : \definebodyfont [20.7pt,17.3pt,14.4pt,12pt,11pt,10pt,9pt,8pt,7pt,6pt,5pt,4pt] [rm] [ob=SerifBold sa 1, bi=SerifBoldItalic sa 1, bs=SerifBoldSlanted sa 1, sc=SerifCaps sa 1] -- Professor Idris Samawi Hamid Department of Philosophy Colorado State University Fort Collins, CO 80523

Hans Hagen

8 Feb 8 Feb

10:39 a.m.

...

...
Idris Samawi Hamid said this at Mon, 7 Feb 2005 08:28:43 -0700:

...
No, but I use old-style numerals as default

Ok, the next alpha will offer you: \starttext \usetypescript [modern][\defaultencoding] \usetypescript [map] [latin-modern-os] [\defaultencoding] \setupbodyfont[modern] test 1234 test \stoptext ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Vit Zyka

7 Feb 7 Feb

7:03 p.m.

Hans Hagen wrote:

...

Hi,

I posted an alpha release. Main differences:

- david antos' wish, test for this:

\unprotected \setuplanguage [cz] [\c!compoundhyphen=-, \c!leftcompoundhyphen=-, \c!rightcompoundhyphen=-]

Hallo Hans, I save time to install new release and start to test. Good news: 1) The hyphen code can be processed with cont-cz. Bad news: 1) \c!compoundhyphen atc. are not defined in cont-con.tex 2) it preserves long-variant hyphen for \cz case (no difference between \en and \cz): \unprotected \setuplanguage [cz] [compoundhyphen=-, leftcompoundhyphen=-, rightcompoundhyphen=-] \starttext \en \dorecurse{100}{test||}test \endgraf \cz \dorecurse{100}{test||}test \endgraf \stoptext =====================================================

...

- latin modern fonts instead of cmr/plr/csr/aer/vnr:

fetch the cont-lmt.zip file if needed

I want to compare Czech accented chars in lm and csr. I started with the bellow code, but no criticalchars is visible in both cases. Log is enclosed. What are the proper family/typescript names? Thanks for help. Vit Zyka %-------------------------------- \useencoding[il2] \enableregime[il2] \def\criticalchars{ďťňŤŘŠůúÚ} % \v d, \v t, \v n, \v T, \v R, \v S, \r u, \'u, \'U \starttext %\usetypescript[computer-modern][il2]\switchtobodyfont[csr,12pt] \usetypescript[csr][il2]\switchtobodyfont[csr,12pt] \criticalchars\showbodyfont %\usetypescript[latin-modern][il2]\switchtobodyfont[cmr,12pt] \usetypescript[modern][il2]\switchtobodyfont[cmr,12pt] \criticalchars\showbodyfont \stoptext This is pdfeTeXk, Version 3.141592-1.20a-2.2 (Web2c 7.5.3) (format=cont-cz 2005.2.7) 7 FEB 2005 19:57 entering extended mode \write18 enabled. %&-line parsing enabled. (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/web2c/natural.tcx) **&cont-cz latin.tex (./latin.tex ConTeXt ver: 2005.01.31 fmt: 2005.2.7 int: english mes: english language : language cz is active system : cont-new loaded (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/cont-new.tex systems : beware: some patches loaded from cont-new.tex! color : palette rollover is available system (E-TEX) : [line 878] system (E-TEX) : [line 933] ) system : cont-old loaded (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/cont-old.tex loading : Context Old Macros ) system : cont-fil loaded (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/cont-fil.tex loading : Context File Synonyms ) system : cont-sys.rme loaded (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/user/cont-sys.rme (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-dis.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-map.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-akb.tex)) bodyfont : 12pt rm is loaded language : patterns en->default:default->1->2:2 de->texnansi:texnansi->2 ->2:2 de->ec:ec->3->2:2 sk->il2:il2->4->2:2 sk->ec:ec->5->2:2 cz->il2:il2->6->2 :2 cz->ec:ec->7->2:2 loaded specials : tex,postscript,rokicki loaded \openout2 = `latin.tui'. system : latin.top loaded (./latin.top specials : loading definition file tpd (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/spec-tpd.tex specials : loading definition file fdf (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/spec-fdf.tex system (E-TEX) : [line 2280] \ifcsname ) specials : fdf loaded ) specials : fdf,tpd loaded ) \openout0 = `latin-mpgraph.mp'. \openout0 = `mpgraph.mp'. (./latin.tuo) (./latin.tuo) (./latin.tuo) (./latin.tuo) (./latin.tuo) (./latin.tuo) (./latin.tuo) (./latin.tuo) (./latin.tuo) (./latin.tuo) (./latin.tuo) (./latin.tuo) (./latin.tuo) fonts : using map file: texnansi-public-lm.map fonts : using map file: original-public-vnr.map fonts : using map file: original-public-csr.map fonts : using map file: original-public-plr.map fonts : using map file: original-public-lm.map fonts : using map file: original-ams-euler.map fonts : using map file: original-ams-cmr.map fonts : using map file: texnansi-base.map fonts : using map file: t5-base.map fonts : using map file: qx-base.map fonts : using map file: 8r-base.map fonts : using map file: ec-base.map fonts : using map file: ec-public-lm.map fonts : using map file: original-base.map systems : begin file latin at line 6 (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-dis.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-map.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-akb.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-pre.tex (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-dis.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-map.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-akb.tex)) Missing character: There is no ï in font cmr12! Missing character: There is no » in font cmr12! Missing character: There is no ò in font cmr12! Missing character: There is no « in font cmr12! Missing character: There is no Ø in font cmr12! Missing character: There is no © in font cmr12! Missing character: There is no ù in font cmr12! Missing character: There is no ú in font cmr12! Missing character: There is no Ú in font cmr12! (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/font-run.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-dis.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-map.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-dis.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-map.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-akb.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-dis.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-map.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-akb.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-dis.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-map.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-akb.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-dis.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-map.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-akb.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-dis.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-map.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-akb.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-dis.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-map.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-akb.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-dis.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-map.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-akb.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-dis.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-map.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-akb.tex)) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-akb.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-pre.tex (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-syn.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-enc.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-dis.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-siz.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-map.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-spe.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-exa.tex) (c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/tex/context/base/type-akb.tex)) Missing character: There is no ï in font cmr12! Missing character: There is no » in font cmr12! Missing character: There is no ò in font cmr12! Missing character: There is no « in font cmr12! Missing character: There is no Ø in font cmr12! Missing character: There is no © in font cmr12! Missing character: There is no ù in font cmr12! Missing character: There is no ú in font cmr12! Missing character: There is no Ú in font cmr12! [1.1{c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/fonts/map/pdftex/context/original-empty.map}{c:/ TeXLive/texmf-experim/fonts/map/pdftex/context/texnansi-public-lm.map}{c:/TeXLi ve/texmf-experim/fonts/map/pdftex/context/original-public-vnr.map}{c:/TeXLive/t exmf-experim/fonts/map/pdftex/context/original-public-csr.map}{c:/TeXLive/texmf -experim/fonts/map/pdftex/context/original-public-plr.map}{c:/TeXLive/texmf-exp erim/fonts/map/pdftex/context/original-public-lm.map}{c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/ fonts/map/pdftex/context/original-ams-euler.map}{c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/fonts /map/pdftex/context/original-ams-cmr.map}{c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/fonts/map/pd ftex/context/texnansi-base.map}{c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/fonts/map/pdftex/conte xt/t5-base.map}{c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/fonts/map/pdftex/context/qx-base.map}{ c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/fonts/map/pdftex/context/8r-base.map}{c:/TeXLive/texmf -experim/fonts/map/pdftex/context/ec-base.map}{c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/fonts/m ap/pdftex/context/ec-public-lm.map}{c:/TeXLive/texmf-experim/fonts/map/pdftex/c ontext/original-base.map}] systems : end file latin at line 14 ) Here is how much of TeX's memory you used: 2087 strings out of 62952 41320 string characters out of 663862 4499219 words of memory out of 5540816 36706 multiletter control sequences out of 10000+50000 16691 words of font info for 59 fonts, out of 1000000 for 2000 24 hyphenation exceptions out of 1000 44i,17n,49p,324b,366s stack positions out of 5000i,500n,6000p,200000b,40000s 61 PDF objects out of 300000 0 named destinations out of 131072 1 words of extra memory for PDF output out of 65536 Output written on latin.pdf (1 page, 58475 bytes).

Hans Hagen

8 Feb 8 Feb

9:13 a.m.

Vit Zyka wrote:

...

I save time to install new release and start to test. Good news: 1) The hyphen code can be processed with cont-cz. Bad news: 1) \c!compoundhyphen atc. are not defined in cont-con.tex

they are in mult-con (in the alpha)

...

2) it preserves long-variant hyphen for \cz case (no difference between \en and \cz):

\unprotected \setuplanguage [cz] [compoundhyphen=-, leftcompoundhyphen=-, rightcompoundhyphen=-]

that;s because in your version the keywords are not known

...

=====================================================

...
- latin modern fonts instead of cmr/plr/csr/aer/vnr:

fetch the cont-lmt.zip file if needed

I want to compare Czech accented chars in lm and csr. I started with the bellow code, but no criticalchars is visible in both cases. Log is enclosed. What are the proper family/typescript names?

...

%-------------------------------- \useencoding[il2] \enableregime[il2]

\setupencoding[default=il2] \usetypescript[modern][\defaultencoding] (no need fo rthe regime afaik) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Vit Zyka

9:55 a.m.

Hans Hagen wrote:

...

Vit Zyka wrote:

...
I save time to install new release and start to test. Good news: 1) The hyphen code can be processed with cont-cz. Bad news: 1) \c!compoundhyphen atc. are not defined in cont-con.tex

they are in mult-con (in the alpha)

Sorry Hans, I did not distinguish between current and alpha, only between alpha-betha. Now it works well, indeed... So can we move \unprotected \setuplanguage [cz] [\c!compoundhyphen=-, \c!leftcompoundhyphen=-, \c!rightcompoundhyphen=-] onto cont-cz.tex ? And related question. Is there ANY czech user who uses cz interface, like \definujramovani? I guess not. It is very unconfortable and confusing especially for unskilled ConTeXter to edit cont-cz.tex to switch \def\defaultinterface{czech} to \def\defaultinterface{english} If nobody complain I suggest \def\defaultinterface{english} to be default for cont-cz. Thanks Vit Zyka

Martin Kolařík

10:13 a.m.

New subject: \defaultinterface for cont-cz

Hi all, I'm using english interface in cont-cz too... But, maybe, it could be useful to determine interface in the highest level -- during making the format like: texexec --make cz --commands en I know --interface cz cannot be used as --interface is used to select ConTeXt format (to rewrite texexec defaults). What about this? Have a nice day, Martin -----Original Message----- From: ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl [mailto:ntg-context-bounces@ntg.nl]On Behalf Of Vit Zyka Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 10:56 AM To: mailing list for ConTeXt users Subject: Re: [NTG-context] alpha release / latin modern Hans Hagen wrote:

...

Vit Zyka wrote:

...
I save time to install new release and start to test. Good news: 1) The hyphen code can be processed with cont-cz. Bad news: 1) \c!compoundhyphen atc. are not defined in cont-con.tex

they are in mult-con (in the alpha)

Hans Hagen

11:12 a.m.

New subject: \defaultinterface for cont-cz

Martin Kolařík wrote:

...

I'm using english interface in cont-cz too... But, maybe, it could be useful to determine interface in the highest level -- during making the format like:

texexec --make cz --commands en

I know --interface cz cannot be used as --interface is used to select ConTeXt format (to rewrite texexec defaults).

What about this?

it was possible to say something texexec --make --lang=en,cz --font=csr etc etc to get an english format with czech fonts however, the new version will have latin modern in ec format preloaded, so then texexec --make --all will do (i may even consider loading all patterns always by default) and in your document: \mainlanguage[cz] % optionally \enableregime[il2] and there is no need for special formats Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Vit Zyka

1:05 p.m.

New subject: \defaultinterface for cont-cz

Hans Hagen wrote:

...

will do (i may even consider loading all patterns always by default)

Yes, presence of cz patterns in cont-en solve the confusion. VZ

...

and in your document:

\mainlanguage[cz] % optionally \enableregime[il2]

and there is no need for special formats

Hans Hagen

11:19 a.m.

Vit Zyka wrote:

...

So can we move

\unprotected \setuplanguage [cz] [\c!compoundhyphen=-, \c!leftcompoundhyphen=-, \c!rightcompoundhyphen=-]

onto cont-cz.tex ?

no, if all your czech friends agree, it can move to lang-sla.tex

...

And related question. Is there ANY czech user who uses cz interface, like \definujramovani? I guess not. It is very unconfortable and confusing especially for unskilled ConTeXter to edit cont-cz.tex to switch \def\defaultinterface{czech} to \def\defaultinterface{english}

cont-cz was never meant to be english in interface

...

If nobody complain I suggest \def\defaultinterface{english} to be default for cont-cz.

the cont-cz name is reserved for the interface, so if you really want a czech format, you need to go cont-en-cz or so Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Vit Zyka

11:30 a.m.

...

\setupencoding[default=il2] \usetypescript[modern][\defaultencoding]

There is some mess with encoding, I think: ------------------------- \setupencoding[default=il2] \def\criticalchars{\dcaron=\v d=ď} \starttext \usetypescript[modern][\defaultencoding] \criticalchars \stoptext ------------------------ Both \dcaron and \v d give proper glyph, but direct 'ď' not. If I understand correctly, now the actual typescript is defined in type-exa.tex encoding: enco-il2.tex map: il2-public-lm.map with glyph encoding: csrm.enc. So problem is at the very beginning stage. I check if input file is exactly in il2 encoding, yes it is. 'ď' has catcode letter. So a the letter is should enter the font. Where is problem? VZ

Adam Lindsay

11:44 a.m.

Vit Zyka said this at Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:30:20 +0100:

...

So problem is at the very beginning stage. I check if input file is exactly in il2 encoding, yes it is. 'ì' has catcode letter. So a the letter is should enter the font.

Where is problem?

I think it's with two things: 1) you're not using \enableregime[il2] 2) there's no il2 regime anyway! Perhaps (as a temporary fix), you could convert your file to UTF-8 encoding and include \enableregime[utf] in your input file? -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Adam T. Lindsay, Computing Dept. atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk Lancaster University, InfoLab21 +44(0)1524/510.514 Lancaster, LA1 4WA, UK Fax:+44(0)1524/510.492 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Hans Hagen

12:24 p.m.

Adam Lindsay wrote:

...

Vit Zyka said this at Tue, 8 Feb 2005 12:30:20 +0100:

...
So problem is at the very beginning stage. I check if input file is exactly in il2 encoding, yes it is. 'ì' has catcode letter. So a the letter is should enter the font.

Where is problem?

I think it's with two things: 1) you're not using \enableregime[il2] 2) there's no il2 regime anyway!

another option is to copy cont-en into cont-xx and replace the ec in there by il2 (or to say: \definetypeface[modern][il2] \setupbodyfont[modern], but that is slower) %D \module %D [ file=cont-en, %D version=1997.08.19, %D title=\CONTEXT, %D subtitle=\CONTEXT\ English Format Generation, %D author=Hans Hagen, %D date=\currentdate, %D copyright={PRAGMA / Hans Hagen \& Ton Otten}] %C %C This module is part of the \CONTEXT\ macro||package and is %C therefore copyrighted by \PRAGMA. See mreadme.pdf for %C details. \catcode`\{=1 \catcode`\}=2 \def\defaultinterface{english} \input context.tex \unprotect \setupcurrentlanguage[\s!en] \loaduserspecifications \installlanguage [\s!en] [\c!state=\v!start] \installlanguage [\s!uk] [\c!state=\v!start] \installlanguage [\s!de] [\c!state=\v!start] \installlanguage [\s!fr] [\c!state=\v!start] \installlanguage [\s!es] [\c!state=\v!start] \installlanguage [\s!it] [\c!state=\v!start] \installlanguage [\s!nl] [\c!state=\v!start] % \setupbodyfont [cmr,ams,rm,12pt] % % \setupencoding[default=ec] \usetypescript[modern][\defaultencoding] \setupbodyfont[modern,rm,12pt] \setupencoding[default=ec] \usetypescript[fallback][\defaultencoding] \setupbodyfont[rm,12pt] \protect \errorstopmode \dump \endinput ==== btw, if you patch enco-il2 by \startcoding[il2][il2] % second entry and regenerate the format you have a regime for free -) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Vit Zyka

3:33 p.m.

Hans Hagen wrote:

...

btw, if you patch enco-il2 by

\startcoding[il2][il2] % second entry

and regenerate the format you have a regime for free -)

OK. That is the game. Chars were born. I prepared a quick comparision of Czech/Slovak accented letters (Latin Modern v. CS Fonts). See http://typokvitek.com/tmp/latin.pdf Font design is very subjective game, I know. There is my comment: 1) LM has very ugly caron 2) caron is too high at both capitals and minuscules 3) ring is lifeless/faint 4) acute is OK; I would prefer vertical position somewhere inbetween LM an CS, but CS are consistent with tight accents (acute and caron) 5) \v t: caron is too low (does not look as neither ligature connection nor separate accent No kernings checking for now, just glyph drawing. I can ask LM author (Boguslaw Jackowski ?) about his opinion. But the current tests (especially points 1,2,3) prevent me from the LM font usage in ConTeXt. So, for me, there are two possibilities to fullfil my aesthetic feeling: 1) go back to the old (no lm) ConTeXt version, or 2) simple switch to set complete CS fonts environment (I use the next code, but it is just a quick hack: \loadmapfile[il2-ams-cmr.map] \definetypeface[computer-modern][il2] \setupbodyfont[modern] I prefer the second variant. Can we find its solution? Thank vit

Hans Hagen

6:49 p.m.

Vit Zyka wrote:

...

Hans Hagen wrote:

...
btw, if you patch enco-il2 by

\startcoding[il2][il2] % second entry

and regenerate the format you have a regime for free -)

OK. That is the game. Chars were born.

I prepared a quick comparision of Czech/Slovak accented letters (Latin Modern v. CS Fonts). See http://typokvitek.com/tmp/latin.pdf

Font design is very subjective game, I know. There is my comment: 1) LM has very ugly caron 2) caron is too high at both capitals and minuscules 3) ring is lifeless/faint 4) acute is OK; I would prefer vertical position somewhere inbetween LM an CS, but CS are consistent with tight accents (acute and caron) 5) \v t: caron is too low (does not look as neither ligature connection nor separate accent

No kernings checking for now, just glyph drawing. I can ask LM author (Boguslaw Jackowski ?) about his opinion. But the current tests (especially points 1,2,3) prevent me from the LM font usage in ConTeXt.

So, for me, there are two possibilities to fullfil my aesthetic feeling: 1) go back to the old (no lm) ConTeXt version, or 2) simple switch to set complete CS fonts environment (I use the next code, but it is just a quick hack: \loadmapfile[il2-ams-cmr.map] \definetypeface[computer-modern][il2] \setupbodyfont[modern]

I prefer the second variant. Can we find its solution?

a better solution is to use alternative glyphs, now, one problem is that there are no il2-lm files in the lm distribution and such things could be solved in a il2-lm.* tfm set combined with enc files that map to the prefered instances of glyphs (some glyphs are present in more variants), so i prefer the first variant with adaptions since that was part of the reason for the lm project: replace plr, csr, aer etc kerning is a different game, since the csr metric files are used, you get the same kerns as in csr; but future versions of lm will have improved kerning pairs Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Hans Hagen

6:53 p.m.

Vit Zyka wrote:

...

I prefer the second variant. Can we find its solution?

added to the previous mail: german has dedicated umlauts in latin modern, so what you ask for is dedidated (positioned lower) caron's and such; about the small circular thingie, it indeed looks a bit to spiny in latin modern, so that may be a bug (you may as well be one of the first czech tex users looking into latin modern -) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Hans Hagen

9 Feb 9 Feb

5:27 p.m.

Vit Zyka wrote:

...

Font design is very subjective game, I know. There is my comment: 1) LM has very ugly caron 2) caron is too high at both capitals and minuscules

Isn't that a matter of taste? Think of mixed language usage (not that strange in todays europe), then one wants consistency and this was one of the objectives of the latin modern fonts.

...

3) ring is lifeless/faint

indeed, let's see what Jacko thinks of it

...

4) acute is OK; I would prefer vertical position somewhere inbetween LM an CS, but CS are consistent with tight accents (acute and caron)

this is a disputed area, afaik latin modern is following the typographical correct rules (font/language experts were involved in that)

...

5) \v t: caron is too low (does not look as neither ligature connection nor separate accent

hm, isn't that a matter if viewing and printer resolution? There has been some discussion with czech users in the previous lm dev stage, so ... do you know of any usage of lm in czech? Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Vit Zyka

8:54 p.m.

Hans Hagen wrote:

...

Vit Zyka wrote:

...
Font design is very subjective game, I know. There is my comment:

I have asked Czech TeX users for their opinion yesterday. Now I want to wait a several days for their collecting. After that I will summarize the discussion results and will sent it here and to Jacko.

...

...
1) LM has very ugly caron 2) caron is too high at both capitals and minuscules

Isn't that a matter of taste? Think of mixed language usage (not that strange in todays europe), then one wants consistency and this was one of the objectives of the latin modern fonts.

...
3) ring is lifeless/faint

indeed, let's see what Jacko thinks of it

...
4) acute is OK; I would prefer vertical position somewhere inbetween LM an CS, but CS are consistent with tight accents (acute and caron)

this is a disputed area, afaik latin modern is following the typographical correct rules (font/language experts were involved in that)

...
5) \v t: caron is too low (does not look as neither ligature connection nor separate accent

hm, isn't that a matter if viewing and printer resolution?

There has been some discussion with czech users in the previous lm dev stage, so ... do you know of any usage of lm in czech?

Hans

Adam Lindsay

9:25 p.m.

Vit Zyka said this at Wed, 9 Feb 2005 21:54:41 +0100:

...

...
...
Font design is very subjective game, I know. There is my comment:

I'm reminded of this quote: "The Polish prefer it more upright. The Czechs prefer it more flat." http://jeff.cs.mcgill.ca/~luc/atypi04.html -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Adam T. Lindsay, Computing Dept. atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk Lancaster University, InfoLab21 +44(0)1524/510.514 Lancaster, LA1 4WA, UK Fax:+44(0)1524/510.492 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Hans Hagen

8 Feb 8 Feb

12:35 p.m.

Vit Zyka wrote:

...

...
\setupencoding[default=il2] \usetypescript[modern][\defaultencoding]

There is some mess with encoding, I think:

------------------------- \setupencoding[default=il2] \def\criticalchars{\dcaron=\v d=ď}

\starttext \usetypescript[modern][\defaultencoding] \criticalchars \stoptext

in addition to previous mails: encodings are switched by font switches, i.e. each font has an associated encoding, so in principle one can have typefaces and styles with mixed encodings; the default is ec which happens to partially overlay with il2 and unless some regime is used, your specific input Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Adam Lindsay

12:25 p.m.

Hans Hagen said this at Thu, 3 Feb 2005 18:11:29 +0100:

...

latin modern fonts instead of cmr/plr/csr/aer/vnr:

Ah, here's a conflict: XeTeX doesn't have latin modern yet. (Needs to be converted to OpenType, with some special table enabled... JK hasn't documented it yet.) Do you have a switch to avoid the cmr-lm conversion? Also, something I just realised (thanks to Vit's example): XeTeX hasn't a clue when it comes to grid typesetting. (Has to do with the difficulty of getting the metrics from the platform fonts, I think.) adam -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Adam T. Lindsay, Computing Dept. atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk Lancaster University, InfoLab21 +44(0)1524/510.514 Lancaster, LA1 4WA, UK Fax:+44(0)1524/510.492 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Hans Hagen

12:41 p.m.

Adam Lindsay wrote:

...

Ah, here's a conflict: XeTeX doesn't have latin modern yet. (Needs to be converted to OpenType, with some special table enabled... JK hasn't documented it yet.) Do you have a switch to avoid the cmr-lm conversion?

hm, we should have a \beginXETEX ... \endXETEX section then but before we do that, can you contact Boguslaw Jackowski there has be done some work on lm open type so maybe if you join forces ...

...

Also, something I just realised (thanks to Vit's example): XeTeX hasn't a clue when it comes to grid typesetting. (Has to do with the difficulty of getting the metrics from the platform fonts, I think.)

context does grid typesetting itself, there is no dependency on pdftex or so Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Adam Lindsay

10:35 p.m.

Hans Hagen said this at Tue, 8 Feb 2005 13:41:26 +0100:

...

...
Also, something I just realised (thanks to Vit's example): XeTeX hasn't a clue when it comes to grid typesetting. (Has to do with the difficulty of getting the metrics from the platform fonts, I think.)

context does grid typesetting itself, there is no dependency on pdftex or so

I sort of tried to say that XeTeX's vertical measurements are very conservative (based on Apple's text system: it just doesn't want to let lines get too close!). Anyway, here are some adjusted logos that seem to save 80% of my headaches in XeTeX's vertical spacing: \beginXETEX depth adjustment of logos \let\NormalTeXLogo\TeX %save it---just in case! \def\XeTeX{X\smash[d]{\lower.5ex\hbox{\kern-.15em\mirror{E}}}\kern- .1667em\TeX} \def\TeX{T\smash[d]{\kern-.1667em\lower.5ex\hbox{E}}\kern-.125emX} \endXETEX -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Adam T. Lindsay, Computing Dept. atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk Lancaster University, InfoLab21 +44(0)1524/510.514 Lancaster, LA1 4WA, UK Fax:+44(0)1524/510.492 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Hans Hagen

9:51 p.m.

Adam Lindsay wrote:

...

...
latin modern fonts instead of cmr/plr/csr/aer/vnr:

Ah, here's a conflict: XeTeX doesn't have latin modern yet. (Needs to be converted to OpenType, with some special table enabled... JK hasn't documented it yet.) Do you have a switch to avoid the cmr-lm conversion?

what cmr does xetex use? a special version? we can of course make a xetex specific typescript to setup the default fonts Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Adam Lindsay

9 Feb 9 Feb

10:10 a.m.

Hans Hagen said this at Tue, 8 Feb 2005 22:51:24 +0100:

...

what cmr does xetex use? a special version? we can of course make a xetex specific typescript to setup the default fonts

It's a straight opentype encapsulation of the CMR type1 fonts from CTAN, as far as I can tell. Getting LM in there is a function of $x$ Jonathan Kew's time, $y$ when the next XeTeX release is, and $z$ the stability of LM's current release. I'll try to measure $z$ with Jacko later today... -- =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Adam T. Lindsay, Computing Dept. atl@comp.lancs.ac.uk Lancaster University, InfoLab21 +44(0)1524/510.514 Lancaster, LA1 4WA, UK Fax:+44(0)1524/510.492 -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

7256

Age (days ago)

7262

Last active (days ago)

List overview

Download

30 comments

5 participants

participants (5)

Adam Lindsay
Hans Hagen
Idris Samawi Hamid
Martin Kolařík
Vit Zyka