Hello, On Tue, 21 Dec 2010 10:29:13 +0100, Mojca Miklavec wrote:

2010/12/21 Procházka Lukáš Ing. - Pontex s. r. o. wrote:

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\mainlanguage[cz]

It should probably be cs, not cz.

I'm getting the same error message even with "cs".

Isn't "cz" country code and "cs" language code?

BTW: What is the difference what the COUNTRY code and the LANGUAGE code affects? Lukas

The "cz" is left for backward compatibility reasons.

Mojca

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BTW: What is the difference what the COUNTRY code and the LANGUAGE code affects?

In your case, you should use a language code since you want to set a language. ConTeXt has used different sets of codes in the past, but we now try to follow IETF recommendation "Tag for Identifying Languages" (http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp47), because it's the only one that can be precise enough for our needs (at least among the tagging systems I know of). For example, you can distinguish between British English and American English by appending a country code to the language code (hence "en-gb" and "en-us", respectively). Using a country code to identify a language is generally a bad idea and should be discouraged, since that's not what they're meant for, and it can lead to confusion: for example, you could use the code "uk" to identify English as spoken in the United Kingdom, but that's actually the language code for Ukrainian, which has been an actual problem for ConTeXt in the post (in addition to that, "uk" is not even the proper language code for the United Kingdom: it's "gb", as written above; the reason why "uk" is used as a DNS top-level domain is not clear and has lead, alas, to even more confusion). The authorities that decide upon language and country codes are different committees of the ISO; the ISO standard for language codes is ISO 639 (with different parts), and the one for country codes is ISO 3166 (again, with different parts; the two-letter codes of ISO 3166-1 are generally rather well-known because they're the ones being used for DNS top-level domains -- with some exceptions, see above). Arthur

On 2010-12-21 <11:11:33>, Arthur Reutenauer wrote:

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BTW: What is the difference what the COUNTRY code and the LANGUAGE code affects?

In your case, you should use a language code since you want to set a language. ConTeXt has used different sets of codes in the past, but we now try to follow IETF recommendation "Tag for Identifying Languages" (http://tools.ietf.org/html/bcp47), because it's the only one that can be precise enough for our needs (at least among the tagging systems I know of). For example, you can distinguish between British English and American English by appending a country code to the language code (hence "en-gb" and "en-us", respectively). Using a country code to identify a language is generally a bad idea and should be discouraged, since that's not what they're meant for, and it can lead to confusion: for example, you could use the code "uk" to identify English as spoken in the United Kingdom, but that's actually the language code for Ukrainian, which has been an actual problem for ConTeXt in the post (in addition to that, "uk" is not even the proper language code for the United Kingdom: it's "gb", as written above; the reason why "uk" is used as a DNS top-level domain is not clear and has lead, alas, to even more confusion).

But context uses some non-standard codes also: “deo” instead of “de-1901” for sane German orthography, and “agr” for ancient Attic instead of “grc” or “el-polyton”. (Testfile appended.) Philipp PS: nice tools http://people.w3.org/rishida/utils/subtags/ http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/languageid.jsp

The authorities that decide upon language and country codes are different committees of the ISO; the ISO standard for language codes is ISO 639 (with different parts), and the one for country codes is ISO 3166 (again, with different parts; the two-letter codes of ISO 3166-1 are generally rather well-known because they're the ones being used for DNS top-level domains -- with some exceptions, see above).

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On Tue, 21 Dec 2010 12:19:15 +0100 Philipp Gesang wrote:

But context uses some non-standard codes also: “deo” instead of “de-1901” for sane German orthography, and “agr” for ancient Attic instead of “grc” or “el-polyton”. (Testfile appended.)

Yes, we should make grc a synonym of agr. el-polyton is, AFAIK, modern polytonic Greek, which is not the same. Thomas

On 21-12-2010 1:23, Arthur Reutenauer wrote:

(*) Of course it doesn't say "after the Fall of Constanople" that way, it says "from 1453 onwards" (http://www.sil.org/iso639-3/documentation.asp?id=ell) but that's clearly what is meant.

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On 21-12-2010 12:19, Philipp Gesang wrote:

But context uses some non-standard codes also: “deo” instead of

deo = de old (and no one objected at that point) when context was dutch only we used 'du' as that's the abbreviation used in schools Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

If you were a citizen of Austria or Switzerlad, you would not be able to use \mainlanguage[at] or \mainlanguage[ch]

As it happens, "at" is not the ISO 639 code of any language (and it's doubtful it will be in the near future), but "ch" is the code for Chamorro (http://www.ethnologue.com/show_language.asp?code=cha), so you would indeed have problems :-) Arthur