On Nov 16, 2009, at 9:33 AM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

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The problem is the vertical alignment of the item number, which should be at the top of the frame. Is this possible?

Add location=top to \setupframed.

Aditya

Oh, that's good, thanks Aditya! The baselines still don't quite agree, but it's just a minor difference. Thomas

On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:

On Nov 16, 2009, at 9:33 AM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

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The problem is the vertical alignment of the item number, which should be at the top of the frame. Is this possible?

Add location=top to \setupframed.

Aditya

Oh, that's good, thanks Aditya! The baselines still don't quite agree, but it's just a minor difference.

location=high and add \setupitemize[inbetween={\blank[3*line]}] (maybe increase bottom blank also) Aditya

On Nov 16, 2009, at 9:55 AM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

If you hadn't notice the item is wider then the running text, in MkIV you can say 'width=\dimexpr\textwidth-\itemgrouplistwidth\relax' (not the best method but \localhsize is not available)

Wolfgang

Aditya, Wolfgang, thanks a lot, I now get the visual output I want! So the question remains: any way of making this a hook for startitemize so it gets applied to every \item automatically? Thomas

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:09 AM, Thomas A. Schmitz wrote:

On Nov 16, 2009, at 9:55 AM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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If you hadn't notice the item is wider then the running text, in MkIV you can say 'width=\dimexpr\textwidth-\itemgrouplistwidth\relax' (not the best method but \localhsize is not available)

Wolfgang

Aditya, Wolfgang,

thanks a lot, I now get the visual output I want! So the question remains: any way of making this a hook for startitemize so it gets applied to every \item automatically?

There is always a non-context solution, (so it's a kind of off-topic here...) More seriously (well, only a bit), it can be seen as a sort of syntathic sugar (just because I like coffe with sugar, but it' a taste of mine..) \setuplayout[width=10cm] \long\def\TSIF#1{\item \framed\bgroup #1} \def\TSIFE{\egroup} \starttext \setupframed[offset=2mm, corner=round, background=color, backgroundcolor=blue, foregroundcolor=white, frame=off, strut=no,inbetween={\blank[3*line]} location=high, align=normal, width=\textwidth] \startitemize[n] \item \framed{The text of this item is made very long because it is intended to show the effect of what happens when an item extends to more than just one line.} \item \framed{This item is relatively short, but also fills more than one line.} \TSIF% This item is relatively short, but also fills more than one \TSIFE \TSIF% This item is relatively short, but also fills more than one \TSIFE \stopitemize \stoptext -- luigi

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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Am 16.11.2009 um 09:41 schrieb Thomas A. Schmitz:

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On Nov 16, 2009, at 9:33 AM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

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The problem is the vertical alignment of the item number, which should be at the top of the frame. Is this possible?

Add location=top to \setupframed.

Aditya

Oh, that's good, thanks Aditya! The baselines still don't quite agree, but it's just a minor difference.

If you hadn't notice the item is wider then the running text, in MkIV you can say 'width=\dimexpr\textwidth-\itemgrouplistwidth\relax' (not the best method but \localhsize is not available)

Shoudn't width=broad just work? It doesn't, so I consider this a bug. I don't remember : is broad related to \hsize or \textwidth ?

-- luigi

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, luigi scarso wrote:

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On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:12 AM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

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On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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Am 16.11.2009 um 09:41 schrieb Thomas A. Schmitz:

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On Nov 16, 2009, at 9:33 AM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

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> The problem is the vertical alignment of the item number, which > should > be at the top of the frame. Is this possible?

Add location=top to \setupframed.

Aditya

Oh, that's good, thanks Aditya! The baselines still don't quite agree, but it's just a minor difference.

If you hadn't notice the item is wider then the running text, in MkIV you can say 'width=\dimexpr\textwidth-\itemgrouplistwidth\relax' (not the best method but \localhsize is not available)

Shoudn't width=broad just work? It doesn't, so I consider this a bug.

I don't remember : is  broad  related to \hsize or \textwidth ?

I always thought that broad should use as much space as possible. So, anything more or less is a bug :) Yes, but \maxdimen is as much space as possible.... :-) Anyway I will give it a look.

-- luigi

On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, luigi scarso wrote:

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:17 AM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

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I always thought that broad should use as much space as possible. So, anything more or less is a bug :)

\starttext \dorecurse{20}{% \hsize=\dimexpr \textwidth / 20 *\recurselevel\relax \framed[width=broad,align=middle]{ } \blank } \stoptext

\starttext \dorecurse{20}{% \hsize=\dimexpr \textwidth / 20 *\recurselevel\relax \framed[width=broad,align=middle]{ } \startitemize \item \framed[width=broad,align=middle]{} \item \framed[width=\hsize,align=middle]{} \stopitemize \page } \stoptext I think that itemize should adjust \hsize, so this is probably a bug in itemize. Aditya

Am 16.11.2009 um 22:46 schrieb luigi scarso:

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:29 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

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I think that itemize should adjust \hsize, so this is probably a bug in itemize. hmm I'm not sure to understand what you mean What is wrong in this ?

\starttext \dorecurse{20}{% \hsize=\dimexpr \textwidth / 20 *\recurselevel\relax \framed[width=broad,align=middle]{\the\hsize}%% A \startitemize \item \framed[width=broad,align=middle]{\the\hsize}%% B \item \framed[width=\hsize,align=middle]{\the\hsize}%% C \stopitemize \page } \stoptext

I see A = B = C; is it correct ?

No, b and c should be equal but narrower than a because there is less space between the item symbol and the right margin as you have in the running text. Wolfgang

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:58 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

On Mon, 16 Nov 2009, luigi scarso wrote:

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On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:29 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

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I think that itemize should adjust \hsize, so this is probably a bug in itemize.

hmm I'm not sure to understand what you mean What is wrong in this ?

\starttext \dorecurse{20}{% \hsize=\dimexpr \textwidth / 20 *\recurselevel\relax \framed[width=broad,align=middle]{\the\hsize}%% A \startitemize \item \framed[width=broad,align=middle]{\the\hsize}%%  B \item \framed[width=\hsize,align=middle]{\the\hsize}%%  C \stopitemize \page } \stoptext

I see A = B = C; is it correct ?

That is wrong behaviour.We should have B = C = A - itemgrouplistwidth.

Otherwise, the frames inside the itemize environment exceed the total width. Ah, but I'm not sure that \hsize and \startitemize must play well together \showframe \starttext \dorecurse{1}{% \hsize=\dimexpr \textwidth / 1 *\recurselevel\relax \framed[width=broad,align=middle]{\the\hsize} \startitemize \item \framed[width=broad,align=middle]{\the\currentitemmaxwidth,\the\hsize,\the\localhsize} \item \framed[width=\hsize,align=middle]{\the\hsize} \item \the\hsize \input tufte \the\hsize % \stopitemize \page } \stoptext

-- luigi

Am 16.11.2009 um 23:31 schrieb luigi scarso:

I'm ( still :-) ) not sure that \hsize and \startitemize must play well together, I will give it a look.

That's why we have \localhsize but it's not working. Wolfgang

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:42 PM, luigi scarso wrote:

On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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That's why we have \localhsize but it's not working.

\showframe \starttext \dorecurse{1}{% \hsize=\dimexpr \textwidth / 1 *\recurselevel\relax \framed[width=broad,align=middle]{\the\hsize} \bgroup \startitemize \advance\hsize -\itemgrouplistwidth\relax% \item \framed[width=broad,align=middle]{\the\hsize,\the\localhsize,\the\itemgrouplistwidth} % \item \framed[width=\dimexpr\hsize-\itemgrouplistwidth\relax,align=middle]{\the\hsize} \item \framed[width=\hsize,align=middle]{\the\hsize} \item \the\hsize \input tufte \the\hsize % \stopitemize \egroup \page } \stoptext that's all x me now. -- luigi

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

Am 16.11.2009 um 23:49 schrieb luigi scarso:

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\showframe \starttext \dorecurse{1}{% \hsize=\dimexpr \textwidth / 1 *\recurselevel\relax \framed[width=broad,align=middle]{\the\hsize} \bgroup \startitemize \advance\hsize -\itemgrouplistwidth\relax% \item \framed[width=broad,align=middle]{\the\hsize,\the\localhsize,\the\itemgrouplistwidth} % \item \framed[width=\dimexpr\hsize-\itemgrouplistwidth\relax,align=middle]{\the\hsize}  \item \framed[width=\hsize,align=middle]{\the\hsize} \item \the\hsize \input tufte \the\hsize % \stopitemize \egroup \page } \stoptext

that's all x me now.

as you can see in the third item the width of the text (\input tufte) is too narrow because of the reduced \hsize but this works

yes too narrow, but with this still width=broad is not good, because broad should be now egual to \localhsize and not \hsize, if I understand what Aditya said. \showframe \starttext \framed[width=\hsize,align=middle]{\the\hsize} \startitemize \setlocalhsize \item \framed[width=\hsize,align=middle] {\the\hsize} \item \framed[width=broad,align=middle] {\the\hsize} \item \framed[width=\localhsize,align=middle]{\the\localhsize} \stopitemize \stoptext (go to sleep now...see you tomorrow) -- luigi

from pack-rul:

  \else\ifx\localwidth\v!broad     \boxhaswidthtrue     \!!framedwidth\hsize   \else\ifx\localwidth\v!local     \boxhaswidthtrue     \setlocalhsize     \!!framedwidth\localhsize

use \framed[width=local] and don't forget \setlocalhsize after \startitemize. yes, right. I remembered of something similar That's what I mean with not sure that \hsize and \startitemize must

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 12:24 AM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote: play well together \showframe \starttext \framed[width=\hsize,align=middle]{width=hsize\the\hsize} \startitemize \setlocalhsize \item \framed[width=\hsize,align=middle] {width=hsize,hsize=\the\hsize} \item \framed[width=broad,align=middle] {width=broad,hsize=\the\hsize} \item \framed[width=local,align=middle] {width=local,hsize=\the\hsize} \item \framed[width=\localhsize,align=middle]{width=localsize,hsize=\the\hsize,localsize=\the\localhsize} \stopitemize \stoptext Aditya, what do you think ? -- luigi

Am 17.11.2009 um 09:12 schrieb luigi scarso:

What I mean is that I already found that \startitemize and \framed with width=broad was not ok, because broad is related to \hsize but it's ok in other situations.

You can't use \hsize because it the width of the complete text area which TeX use to determine line breaks and this includes in itemize the space for the symbol and the left margin. To give the user a length he could use on such a situation ConTeXt introduced \localhsize which compensates \leftskip/\rightskip settings. \starttext \framed[width=broad]{} \startnarrower[left] \framed[width=broad]{} \dontleavehmode\framed[width=broad]{} \dontleavehmode\framed[width=local]{} \stopnarrower \blank \hsize.5\hsize \framed[width=broad]{} \startnarrower[left] \framed[width=broad]{} \dontleavehmode\framed[width=broad]{} \dontleavehmode\framed[width=local]{} \stopnarrower \stoptext Wolfgang

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote:

I did not know about width=local (and therefore wanted width=broad to behave like it). Given that, I think that broad behaves just fine. These differnt options need to be documented better. yes, in the wiki... where ?

-- luigi

On Tue, Nov 17, 2009 at 4:41 PM, Aditya Mahajan wrote: .. done at http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Framed#Width_broad_and_local -- luigi