On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:

- for a structured document using \switchtobodyfont is ok

What do you mean with structured document? Wolfgang

On Tue, Mar 17, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:

Alan Stone wrote:

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Ahoi,

Following a previous discussion, I've been advised to "try to avoid \switchtobodyfont and use \definedfont or \definefont instead".

what is better depends on the situation

- for a structured document using \switchtobodyfont is ok

- for special layout elements (headers, title pages, keywords) \definefont might be handier (esp when funny sizes are used)

- when using \definefont it can be handy to use the symbolic names (Serif, SansBold etc) and sizes (sa 1.2) because that makes redefinition easier

(1) What's the difference between \definefont and \definedfont ?

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\definefont defines a macro that represents a font, and \definedfont just switches to a font (the forst one is more efficient when you switch often)

(2) In the underneath example...

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(2a) how to implement \define(d)font for font switching ?

(2b) how to define \myFontHook ?

Thanks, Alan

\usemodule[t-lettrine]

\usetypescriptfile[tps_arial] \usetypescript[arial]

... just look how gyre typefaces are defined

\setupbodyfont[myFont,\myFontSize]

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just \setupbodyfont[myFont,12pt]

and an occasional \definefont[BigFont][SerifBold sa 3.5] which gives you \BigFont

Which low level command allows to fill in \definefont[SomeFont][SomeSynonym sa SomeScale] with SomeSynonym=Sans(X)/Serif(X) (X)=Bold/Italic, i.e. regardless of the synonym's name (defined in the typescript)?

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\setuphead[chapter][style={\switchtobodyfont[myOtherFont,\myOtherFontSize]}]

it depends on what can occur in a title, if there's math and monospaced and whatever being used mixed, then best use a typeface (apart from the one time definition it's quite fast to switch a typeface)

Alan

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:

Alan Stone wrote:

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Which low level command allows to fill in \definefont[SomeFont][SomeSynonym sa SomeScale] with SomeSynonym=Sans(X)/Serif(X) (X)=Bold/Italic, i.e. regardless of the synonym's name (defined in the typescript)?

it just follows the bodyfont

\definefont[SomeFont][SerifBold sa 1.5]

And what about non-bodyfonts (some other sans or serif font) ? Alan

Alan Stone wrote:

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:

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Alan Stone wrote:

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Which low level command allows to fill in \definefont[SomeFont][SomeSynonym sa SomeScale] with SomeSynonym=Sans(X)/Serif(X) (X)=Bold/Italic, i.e. regardless of the synonym's name (defined in the typescript)?

it just follows the bodyfont

\definefont[SomeFont][SerifBold sa 1.5]

And what about non-bodyfonts (some other sans or serif font) ?

wellm the whole idea of typefaces is that you can define many of them without interference ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Hans Hagen wrote:

(there's also Normal, Bold etc that is even more generic in the sense that it can be sans or serif depending of the situation)

Re. code in attachment Why is the font output not correct when using \usetypescriptfile[tps_arial_normal] ? Alan

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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... it's explained in the fonts manual and in the new ConTeXt manual.

The most important thing I understand from reading the fonts manual and the ConTeXt manual's old and new font chapter for the n-th time (lost count), is that explaining fonts and their use is not a piece cake. As such, every effort in trying to explain it in a way that's understandable to non initiated people can only be appreciated and welcomed. Nevertheless, I wonder... Are fonts like men, or like women ?  ;O) To be happy with a man you must understand him a lot and love him a little. To be happy with a woman you must love her a lot and not try to understand her at all.” - Helen Rowland As for the issue at hand... Let's say goodbye with a smile, dear, Just for a while, dear, we must part. Don't let the parting upset you, I'll not forget you, sweetheart. We'll meet again, don't know where, don't know when, But I know we'll meet again, some sunny day. Keep smiling through, just like you always do, 'Til the blue skies drive the dark clouds far away. So will you please say hello to the folks that I know, Tell them I won't be long. They'll be happy to know that as you saw me go, I was singing this song. After the rain comes the rainbow, You'll see the rain go, never fear, We two can wait for tomorrow, Goodbye to sorrow, my dear. ( source: http://ingeb.org/songs/wellmeet.html ) Alan

On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 4:24 PM, Taco Hoekwater wrote:

Alan Stone wrote:

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The most important thing I understand from reading the fonts manual and the ConTeXt manual's old and new font chapter for the n-th time (lost count), is that explaining fonts and their use is not a piece cake. As such, every effort in trying to explain it in a way that's understandable to non initiated people can only be appreciated and welcomed.

Any remaining inclarity in any published documentation is by definition unexpected by the author of that documentation.

Hmmm... By definition ??? What a fascinating point of view.

So if something is unclear, you really have to mention specifically what it is exactly that is unclear. Otherwise, no progress will ever be made...

Indeed. However, please take into account that... This topic is (way ?) beyond my present means of comprehension. So be prepared to receive some stupid and/or hilarious questions. ;O) It might also be, quoting the great Alberto, and with all due respect (really) for the author(s)... “If you can't explain it simply, you don't understand it well enough” - Albert Einstein

From my own small experience, it's often a mix of both.

And that's ok. That means there's means of improvement, learning and growth for everybody involved. Considering the complexity of the matter and taking into account the great Alberto's wise words, I'll try to understand my own questions first before posting them in a hopefully understandable way. Talk soon. Cheers, Alan

Best wishes, Taco

Alan Stone wrote:

Are fonts like men, or like women ? ;O)

fonts are simply complex ... - no real consistency (esp in names) - complicted by the fact that we want (in tex) some coherent system - complicated even more by math - and by incomplete fonts - and ... - and ... to some extend luatex/mkiv is making it a bit more convenient but even then .. - fonts can have truckloads of features - and related bugs - and ... Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Alan Stone schrieb:

On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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... it's explained in the fonts manual and in the new ConTeXt manual.

The most important thing I understand from reading the fonts manual and the ConTeXt manual's old and new font chapter for the n-th time (lost count), is that explaining fonts and their use is not a piece cake. As such, every effort in trying to explain it in a way that's understandable to non initiated people can only be appreciated and welcomed.

Nevertheless, I wonder...

Are fonts like men, or like women ? ;O)

To be happy with a man you must understand him a lot and love him a little. To be happy with a woman you must love her a lot and not try to understand her at all.” - Helen Rowland

As for the issue at hand...

Let's say goodbye with a smile, dear, Just for a while, dear, we must part. Don't let the parting upset you, I'll not forget you, sweetheart. We'll meet again, don't know where, don't know when, But I know we'll meet again, some sunny day. Keep smiling through, just like you always do, 'Til the blue skies drive the dark clouds far away.

So will you please say hello to the folks that I know, Tell them I won't be long. They'll be happy to know that as you saw me go, I was singing this song.

After the rain comes the rainbow, You'll see the rain go, never fear, We two can wait for tomorrow, Goodbye to sorrow, my dear.

( source: http://ingeb.org/songs/wellmeet.html )

i can't help it, but the song reminds me of the end of Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb the same is true for fonts ;) - Peter

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2009/3/19 Wolfgang Schuster :

Am 18.03.2009 um 16:26 schrieb Alan Stone:

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On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 9:23 AM, Hans Hagen wrote: (there's also Normal, Bold etc that is even more generic in the sense that it can be sans or serif depending of the situation)

Read and understand!

Thanks for your comments Wolfgang. Hope they're useful and beneficial to other people. The example I adapted and was enquiring about was in the context of what Hans replied earlier...

(there's also Normal, Bold etc that is even more generic in the sense that it can be sans or serif depending of the situation)

Hans, does what you meant by the above correspond to Wolfgang's example or did you mean something else ? If so, what precisely please ? Thanks, Alan

% Typescript for Arial

\starttypescript [sans] [arial]    \setups [font:fallback:sans]    \definefontsynonym [Sans]           [ArialNormal]    \definefontsynonym [SansItalic]     [ArialItalic]    \definefontsynonym [SansBold]       [ArialBold]    \definefontsynonym [SansBoldItalic] [ArialBoldItalic] \stoptypescript

\starttypescript [sans] [arial]    \definefontsynonym [ArialNormal]     [name:arial] [features=default]    \definefontsynonym [ArialItalic]     [name:arialitalic] [features=default]    \definefontsynonym [ArialBold]       [name:arialbold] [features=default]    \definefontsynonym [ArialBoldItalic] [name:arialbolditalic] [features=default] \stoptypescript

\starttypescript [arial]    \definetypeface [arial] [ss] [sans] [arial] [default] \stoptypescript

% Load the Arial typescript for certain elements

\usetypescript[sans][arial]

% Load the main typescripts and set the font for the document

\usetypescript[palatino] \setupbodyfont[palatino]

% Define a new font for the header and set it

\definefont[SectionStyle][ArialBold sa 1.5] % Symbolic name for Arial

\setuphead[section][style=SectionStyle]

\starttext

\section{Knuth}

\input Knuth

\section{Zapf}

\input zapf

\stoptext

Wolfgang