Hans, Thanks for your suggestion, but in the meantime I worked hard to find a solution and now do a framedtext within a framed text. Calculating the width and height of the inner framedtext from the surrounding one's offset and the margin wanted. After puzzling out that "location=middle" can put the inner framedtext centered it seems to work for me. But it is a bit more work than the solution you are showing me here; surely I will try your suggestion because it seems so much simpler. I must admit I would not have found out on my own about the two uses of \hsize. As for your question: "can you put that in the wiki?" I have not the faintest idea of how to put things in a "wiki". Not even do I understand the phenomenon "wiki". yours sincerely, dr. H. van der Meer On Feb 28, 2006, at 2:42, Hans Hagen wrote:

Hans van der Meer wrote:

...

A nasty problem arises when I try to enclose columns into a framedtext and at the same time want to typeset it narrower inside the frame.

1. framedtext: columns will not typeset, simplecolumns does 2. narrower: columns honors narrowing, simplecolumns does not.

Now I am caught between two impossibilities. Is it an option that simplecolumns will also be honoring startnarrower..stopnarrower? Is there another, simple solution?

\framed[width=\hsize]\bgroup \startnarrower \setlocalhsize \hsize\localhsize \startsimplecolumns \input tufte \par \input tufte\par \stopsimplecolumns \stopnarrower \egroup

- when no width is given, framed will to to find the best fit - you set the hsize according to the narrower before the columns

can you put that in the wiki?

Hans

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