Taco wrote:

Don't you need:

\setuppapersize[A5,landscape][A4,landscape] \setuparranging[2DOWN,rotated]

The following produces a first page with p.1 on the right half, but a blank 2nd page: \setuppapersize[A5,landscape][A4,landscape] \setuparranging[2DOWN,rotated] \starttext \input tufte \stoptext That looks okay, except for the blank 2nd page. But shouldn't it also work to impose two A5's on one landscape A4? Here's a few more puzzles related to that. If they are doing what they are supposed to, let me know -- then I need to understand the imposition system more. \setuppapersize[A5][A4,landscape] \setuparranging[2UP] \starttext \input tufte \page \input tufte \stoptext produces a two-page document: p.1: | | 1 | (i.e. blank left half, and original p.1 on the right half) p.2: | 2 | | (i.e. original p.2 on left half, blank right half) Shouldn't it produce p.1: | 1 | 2 | Here's my reasoning. Two A5's (with their long directions vertical) fit side by side to make one A4 in landscape orientation with text running down along the short direction, which looks like 2-column text done the hard way. So, for a two-page original document, 2UP arranging should produce either p.1: | 1 | 2 | or p.1: | 2 | 1 | So in case I've confused the directions of 2UP and 2DOWN, I also tried: \setuppapersize[A5][A4,landscape] \setuparranging[2DOWN] \starttext \input tufte \page \input tufte \stoptext It produces: p.1: | | | p.2: | 2 | | The original p.1 disappeared, which I don't understand. Also I don't understand why it results in two output pages. But this hack: \setuppapersize[A5][A4,landscape] \setuparranging[2UP] \starttext \null\page \input tufte \page \input tufte \stoptext produces the following arrangement, which is close to what I expect: p.1: | | 1 | (where the original p.1 is blank except for the page num) p.2: | 2 | 3 | Once I understand what's going on, I'll wikify! -Sanjoy

Hi Sanjoy, I know, that I am a bit late with my reaction. Still I would like you to know, that there is nothing wrong with what you see in your examples. Keep in mind, that 2UP and 2 DOWN are intended for booklet printing. Try to use % \setuppapersize[A5,landscape][A4,portrait] % \setuparranging[2DOWN] \setuppapersize[A5,portrait][A4,landscape] \setuparranging[2UP] \setuppagenumbering[alternative=singlesided] % \setuppagenumbering[alternative=doublesided] \starttext \dorecurse{3}{\input tufte\blank[1cm]} \page \dorecurse{3}{\input tufte\blank[1cm]} \stoptext I suggest to specify in the setuppapersize command the page orientation on the paper orientation. Then you won't need to rotate to page in the setuparranging command. Specify the singlesided and doublesided mode with setuppagenumbering. Of course the doublesided alternative is not suitable for 2Down, because you get left and right pages above each other. In order to see that the procedure works just fine use more pages e.g. with the dorecurse command. Kind regards Willi Sanjoy Mahajan wrote:

Taco wrote:

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Don't you need:

\setuppapersize[A5,landscape][A4,landscape] \setuparranging[2DOWN,rotated]

The following produces a first page with p.1 on the right half, but a blank 2nd page:

\setuppapersize[A5,landscape][A4,landscape] \setuparranging[2DOWN,rotated] \starttext \input tufte \stoptext

That looks okay, except for the blank 2nd page.

But shouldn't it also work to impose two A5's on one landscape A4? Here's a few more puzzles related to that. If they are doing what they are supposed to, let me know -- then I need to understand the imposition system more.

\setuppapersize[A5][A4,landscape] \setuparranging[2UP] \starttext \input tufte \page \input tufte \stoptext

produces a two-page document:

p.1: | | 1 | (i.e. blank left half, and original p.1 on the right half) p.2: | 2 | | (i.e. original p.2 on left half, blank right half)

Shouldn't it produce

p.1: | 1 | 2 |

Here's my reasoning. Two A5's (with their long directions vertical) fit side by side to make one A4 in landscape orientation with text running down along the short direction, which looks like 2-column text done the hard way. So, for a two-page original document, 2UP arranging should produce either

p.1: | 1 | 2 |

or

p.1: | 2 | 1 |

So in case I've confused the directions of 2UP and 2DOWN, I also tried:

\setuppapersize[A5][A4,landscape] \setuparranging[2DOWN] \starttext \input tufte \page \input tufte \stoptext

It produces:

p.1: | | | p.2: | 2 | |

The original p.1 disappeared, which I don't understand. Also I don't understand why it results in two output pages.

But this hack:

\setuppapersize[A5][A4,landscape] \setuparranging[2UP] \starttext \null\page \input tufte \page \input tufte \stoptext

produces the following arrangement, which is close to what I expect:

p.1: | | 1 | (where the original p.1 is blank except for the page num) p.2: | 2 | 3 |

Once I understand what's going on, I'll wikify!

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Hi Sanjoy, There is no halucination involved. In your code you try to typeset two A5 portrait beneeth each other on a A4 landscape, which is impossible. Try A3 landscape and you will see. - When experimenting with short texts as tufte I usually use \showframe. By the way if you want to typeset A5 on a A4 landscape without intending to make a booklet, then you can use setuparranging[2SIDE] Kind regards Willi Sanjoy Mahajan wrote:

Dear Willi and Wolfgang,

Thanks for the explanations. I understand ConTeXt arranging a bit better now and am trying more (and longer) experiments. I still can't figure out this one, though. Even printing doublesided, you don't want p.1 to vanish:

...

...

\setuppapersize[A5][A4,landscape] \setuparranging[2DOWN] \starttext \input tufte \page \input tufte \stoptext

It produces:

p.1: | | | p.2: | 2 | |

This makes no sense.

(just tried it again to make sure that I wasn't hallucinating before.)

-Sanjoy

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Hi Snajoy, May be you could approach that issue with preparing first a document on A4 and for paper saving arrange the pages from the pdf with texexec: texmfstart texexec --pdfarrange --paper=a5a4 --2up yourfile.pdf Willi Sanjoy Mahajan wrote:

Willi Egger wrote:

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In your code you try to typeset two A5 portrait beneeth each other on a A4 landscape, which is impossible. ... By the way if you want to typeset A5 on a A4 landscape without intending to make a booklet, then you can use setuparranging[2SIDE]

Thanks for the explanations. Now I understand what's going on, and the wiki page makes more sense too. I'll add to the wiki shortly.

A related problem is how to demagnify. Then you could have (1) a high-quality, final mode that generates A4 pages, and (2) a draft, papersaving mode that demagnifies them to A5 and combines them in pairs (a la 2SIDE) into A4. I see how to use modes to do everything except the demagnifying (Context seems, perhaps wisely, to ignore \magnification).

-Sanjoy

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Hi, The 2SIDE arrangment is not intended for a doublesided layout. If the layout is single sided you can easily add an empty page with \strut\page. This impositionscheme is only for arranging 2 pages on a suitable paper, the pages remain in their normal sequence. that is, there is no booklet! In order to have an empty page you can stop pagenumbering first and start numbering on the second page (see below). The 2UP arrangement is suitable for a doublesided layout, pages are arranged in such a way, that you can fold a booklet. Whether or not the left part of the paper-sheet remains blank depends on the number of pages to be arranged. This method uses a lot of paper because a chapter will allways start on an odd page, i.e. on the right-half of the paper. Otherwise you can use a singlesided layout with 2UP and in this case chapters will also start on "odd" pages. This is the most compact way of arranging 2 pages on one sheet of paper, ending up still with a booklet. Tests were performed with the following code: \setuppapersize[A5,portrait][A4,landscape]% % \setuparranging [2*8,doublesided] \setuparranging[2SIDE]%not intended for a duoblesided layout. %\setuparranging[2UP]% can be used with doublesided layout, chapters start allways on an odd page. % can be used with a singlesided layout, chapters will start also on even pages, keep in mind % that the imposition takes place after typesetting. In the case of a singlesides layout, all pages % are "odd". \setuplayout [location=middle] \setuppagenumbering[location={footer,marginedge},state=start]%,alternative=doublesided \starttext \setuppagenumbering[state=stop] \strut\page \setuppagenumbering[state=start] \dostepwiserecurse{1}{20}{1}{% \startalignment[middle] \chapter{Chapter title} \vfil This is {\bfd \recurselevel} \input zapf \stopalignment \vfil \page} \stoptext Willi Sanjoy Mahajan wrote:

I've mostly understood arranging but I cannot figure out how to make 2SIDE place a blank page (page 0, to not affect the page numbering) on the left half of the first arranged sheet and carry on as normal. To illustrate, where the enclosed numbers are the unarranged numbers:

p.1: | |1| p.2: |2|3| p.3: |4|5|

That way each arranged sheet (p.1,2, or 3) will be a spread from the final book, plus one saves paper.

Gerben Wierda (12 March 2005) asked this question on the list, but I did not see an answer so perhaps it is difficult. I looked at the code in page-imp.tex and had hopes for \ejectdummypage but my experments didn't work.

Also my hopes for a cheap hack also were dashed. I tried inserting a \null\page[blank] before the \chapter{First chapter}. But with doublesided pagenumbering, the chapter starts only on an odd page, so the single blank page turns into two blank pages.

-Sanjoy

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