On 1 Aug 2020, at 16:17, Hans Hagen wrote:

On 8/1/2020 3:20 PM, Otared Kavian wrote:

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On 31 Jul 2020, at 10:32, Hans Hagen wrote:

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Other work in progress is: better columns in itemize, esp proper footnote support (not that I ever need that but I know users do so ...), experiments work ok, but I need to check spacing. In general, footnotes (will) behave a bit better, especially those used nested in other mechanisms. A side effect of more control is that we can do other tricks too and we're playing with it (kind of fun). Hi Hans, Thanks for your explanations. Regarding footnotes, would it be possible to have a built-in support for writing the footnotes in the margin? (For instance, assuming that the layout is such that for instance the right margin takes 1/3 of the page width, then the footnotes would occupy the right margin, beginning at the top). It depends on what you want. This works ok: […]

Hi Hans, That's great! Thanks a lot! I have two questions in order to adapt what you sent to my case. I played a bit with your second solution, as in: %%%%%%% begin sidenote-Hans.tex \showframe \setupinteraction[state=start] \setuplayout [cutspace=7cm, width=middle, margin=5cm, margindistance=7mm] \setuptexttexts [margin] [] [{\directsetup{notabene}}] \newbox\MyNoteOverflow \setupnotation[endnote] [interaction=yes, after={\blank[big]}] \startsetups notabene \setbox\scratchbox\vbox \bgroup \setupalign[tolerant] \ifvoid\MyNoteOverflow \else \unvbox\MyNoteOverflow \fi \placenotes[endnote][before=,after=] \egroup \scratchdimen\dimexpr\textheight-.5\lineheight\relax \ifdim\ht\scratchbox>\scratchdimen \global\setbox\MyNoteOverflow\box\scratchbox \setbox\scratchbox\vsplit \MyNoteOverflow to \scratchdimen \fi \vbox \bgroup \topskipcorrection \unvbox\scratchbox \vfilll \egroup \stopsetups \startsetups notaflush \doloop { \page \ifvoid\MyNoteOverflow \exitloop \else \null \page \fi } \stopsetups \starttext \dorecurse{10}{ test \endnote{\input ward }\input tufte.tex \par test \endnote{This is a note about Ward, who says: \par \input ward.tex} \input ward.tex \par test \endnote{This is a note about Donald Knuth.} \input knuth.tex \par } This is a last note. \endnote{This last note is here to see what happens in the next page\dots\par \input knuth.tex} \par \input knuth.tex %\setups{notaflush} \stoptext %%%%%%% end sidenote-Hans.tex The first question is why did you define a setups called notaflush, and why your example works fine without using it ? The second question is: the side notes are vertically centered in the margin (one can see this when the notes do not cover all the margin), which is fine for me. But, out of curiosity, what can be changed in the setups notabene in order to have the notes to begin at the top of the margin ? (When a note runs into the next page, as in the last note, then it would be nicer to begin on top of the margin). Thanks again: Otared K.

Hi Hraban, Thank you for reminding me of the solution cooked up by Wolfgang for you a few years ago. That solution works fine when the notes are short enough, but in some cases the notes in the margin bump into each other (indeed it is not a good habit to have long notes, but in some cases one cannot avoid them). Best regards: Otared

On 1 Aug 2020, at 18:41, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

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Am 01.08.2020 um 15:20 schrieb Otared Kavian :

Regarding footnotes, would it be possible to have a built-in support for writing the footnotes in the margin? (For instance, assuming that the layout is such that for instance the right margin takes 1/3 of the page width, then the footnotes would occupy the right margin, beginning at the top).

I wanted to have footnotes in the margin, possibly starting in the same line as the marker.

Wolfgang came up with this: https://wiki.contextgarden.net/Footnotes#..._but_not_at_the_bottom

(Not related to LMTX.)

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Hi Hraban, Thank you for taking the time to send your code for sidenotes. Unfortunately when I add \starttext test\footnote{A footnote in the margin.} \stoptext to your code, I get an error and unfortunately with recent versions of LMTX the error message ! Undefined control sequence is not helpful to find the error… (LMTX considers \footnote as an undefined control sequence…). Best regards: Otared

On 1 Aug 2020, at 19:19, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

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Am 01.08.2020 um 18:57 schrieb Otared Kavian :

Hi Hraban,

Thank you for reminding me of the solution cooked up by Wolfgang for you a few years ago. That solution works fine when the notes are short enough, but in some cases the notes in the margin bump into each other (indeed it is not a good habit to have long notes, but in some cases one cannot avoid them).

One essential bit is missing in the wiki example:

\setupmargindata[inmargin][ location=right, stack=continue, % !! align=flushright, ]

The code I’m actually using for our German literature magazine “Kritische Ausgabe” is much more elaborated, but also cluttered with obsolete stuff – I need to sort that out some time... (I only deleted some styling.)

%%% Footnotes / Marginals

\setupmargindata[inmargin][ location=right, stack=continue, align=flushright, ] \setupmargindata[inouter][ location=right, stack=continue, align=flushright, ]

\def\FNVOffset{0} % Negative vertical offset of footnotes in lines % Manual tweaking was necessary for a while, when stacking didn’t work reliably.

\def\MarginNote#1{% \inmargin[ voffset=\dimexpr-\FNVOffset\lineheight\relax, width=\ColWidth, align=flushleft, ]{% \inframed[ width=\ColWidth, align=right, frame=off, offset=overlay, strut=yes, ]{#1}% }% }

\define\PlaceFootnote{% \inmargin[ voffset=\dimexpr-\FNVOffset\lineheight\relax, width=\ColWidth, ]{% \vtop{\placelocalnotes[footnote][before=,after=]}}% }

\def\FNo#1{{#1~}} % I never managed to get number and text in consecutive lines without indented text % or at least a constant whitespace after the number.

\setupnote[footnote][ location=text, bodyfont=, indenting=no, before={\noindentation}, next=\PlaceFootnote, ]

\setupnotation[footnote][ way=bychapter, align=flushleft, indenting=no, location=serried, alternative=serried, width=broad, numbercommand=\FNo, ] % footnote text

\setuptexttexts[margin][][% {\framed[ align={flushright,bottom}, frame=off, height=\textheight, width=\ColWidth, ]{% \strut\vfill\placenotes[footnote]}}% ]

Best, Hraban

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Hi Hraban, Thanks for the hint… indeed I did see that \ColWidth command but didn't think about its definition… Sorry! Now with \ColWidth defined, your code works fine and it has the advantage that the text of the sidenote begins in the margin at the level where the \footnote command appears. However, it cannot control the overflow of a sidenote to the next page, whereas the code given by Hans can do that. I admit that this does not happen very often since a well designed text should not have too many long sidenotes… In case other users would like to use your code, I put the whole example below. Best regards: Otared %%% sidenotes, or footnotes in the margin %%% example given by Hraban: %%% here the tweaking of the width of the sidenote is turned off %%% remove the comment where there is \ColWidth %%% in order to adapt to your layout \showframe \setuplayout [cutspace=7cm, width=middle, margin=5cm, margindistance=7mm] %\def\ColWidth{57mm} \setupmargindata[inmargin] [location=right, stack=continue, align=flushright, ] \setupmargindata[inouter] [location=right, stack=continue, align=flushright, ] \def\FNVOffset{0} % Negative vertical offset of footnotes in lines % Manual tweaking was necessary for a while, when stacking didn’t work reliably. \def\MarginNote#1{% \inmargin[ voffset=\dimexpr-\FNVOffset\lineheight\relax, % width=\ColWidth, align=flushleft, ]{% \inframed[ % width=\ColWidth, align=right, frame=off, offset=overlay, strut=yes, ]{#1}% }% } \define\PlaceFootnote{% \inmargin[ voffset=\dimexpr-\FNVOffset\lineheight\relax, % width=\ColWidth, ]{% \vtop{\placelocalnotes[footnote][before=,after=]}}% } \def\FNo#1{{#1~}} % I never managed to get number and text in consecutive lines without indented text % or at least a constant whitespace after the number. \setupnote[footnote] [location=text, bodyfont=, indenting=no, before={\noindentation}, next=\PlaceFootnote, ] \setupnotation[footnote] [way=bychapter, align=flushleft, indenting=no, location=serried, alternative=serried, width=broad, numbercommand=\FNo, ] % footnote text \setuptexttexts[margin][] [% {\framed[ align={flushright,bottom}, frame=off, height=\textheight, % width=\ColWidth, ]{% \strut\vfill\placenotes[footnote]}}% ] \starttext \dorecurse{6}{\input ward\expanded{\footnote{This is a footnote \recurselevel}} } test \dorecurse{10}{ test \footnote{\input ward }\input tufte.tex \par test \footnote{This is a note about Ward, who says: \par \input ward.tex} \input ward.tex \par test \footnote{This is a note about Donald Knuth.} \input knuth.tex \par } This is a last note. \footnote{This last note is here to see what happens in the next page\dots\par \input knuth.tex} \par \dorecurse{3}{\input knuth.tex } \stoptext

On 1 Aug 2020, at 23:01, Henning Hraban Ramm wrote:

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Am 01.08.2020 um 22:36 schrieb Otared Kavian :

Hi Hraban,

Thank you for taking the time to send your code for sidenotes. Unfortunately when I add

\starttext test\footnote{A footnote in the margin.} \stoptext

to your code, I get an error and unfortunately with recent versions of LMTX the error message ! Undefined control sequence is not helpful to find the error… (LMTX considers \footnote as an undefined control sequence…).

Of course it’s not \footnote that is undefined but something else from my code – I didn’t take the time to strip it of all the references to other setups in the same environment, probably \ColWidth that was just a shortcut for the column width: \def\ColWidth{57mm}

Hraban

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