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Hi, I uploaded a new beta. In the process of cleanup I kicked out some of the supp-* modules, most noticeably the visual debugger. That one has been replaced by another mechanism and a merge of some functionality already present in modules (and more might be moved into it). As they are often used for testing, \ruledhbox, \ruledvbox and \ruledvtop remained and all the others have been replaced by placeholders (and might go away). The \show* commands are mostly dummies (and will disappear) but these remain: \showmakeup \showallmakeup \showstruts \showglyphs Hopefully this doesn't spoil your playing with low level tex stuff. The good news is that the current implementation provides more detail, is more colorful, and comes on (pdf) layers (so that you can hide categories). \showallmakeup \starttext \ruledhbox{hbox} \blank \ruledvbox{vbox} \blank \ruledvtop{vtop} \blank {\definedfont[Serif*default at 30pt] g ff} \blank test \strut test \blank \input ward \par \stoptext You can use \enabletrackers[visualizer.*] with * being fontkern, kern, glue, penalty, hbox, vbox, all, reset, makeup, whatsit, and glyph. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
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On 06/27/2012 08:52, Hans Hagen wrote:
Hi,
I uploaded a new beta. In the process of cleanup I kicked out some of the supp-* modules, most noticeably the visual debugger. That one has been replaced by another mechanism and a merge of some functionality already present in modules (and more might be moved into it).
Which beta will be included in the released version of texlive 2012? Will other updates be included in texlive updates? Just curious about how closely the texlive version (which I use) follows the beta version referred to on the list. -- Bill Meahan, Westland, Michigan USA “Writing is a combination of intangible creative fantasy and appallingly hard work.” —Anthony Powell This message is digitally signed with an X.509 certificate to prove it is from me and has not been altered since it was sent.
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On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:02 PM, Bill Meahan wrote:
Which beta will be included in the released version of texlive 2012?
2012.05.24 19:36 (plus two or three minor changes from later versions)
Will other updates be included in texlive updates?
No. They might be included in TLContrib, but betas are often "a bit broken" and I find it very important to have a stable working version at least in TeX Live.
Just curious about how closely the texlive version (which I use) follows the beta version referred to on the list.
ConTeXt is updated only once per year for TeX Live, during TeX Live freeze period & short before a new release. Just enough to allow some testing. Bugs that are reported & easy to fix may see bugfixes in TeX Live, but betas as such won't propagate into TL. Also, if fonts that are being used by ConTeXt will be updated during the year, it might be desirable to update font names in ConTeXt in TeX Live as well. Mojca
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On 27-6-2012 16:11, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
Bugs that are reported & easy to fix may see bugfixes in TeX Live, but betas as such won't propagate into TL. Also, if fonts that are being used by ConTeXt will be updated during the year, it might be desirable to update font names in ConTeXt in TeX Live as well.
the same is true for dependencies on engines (well, one engine nowadays) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
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On 06/27/2012 10:11, Mojca Miklavec wrote:
No. They might be included in TLContrib, but betas are often "a bit broken" and I find it very important to have a stable working version at least in TeX Live.
Bugs that are reported& easy to fix may see bugfixes in TeX Live, but betas as such won't propagate into TL. Also, if fonts that are being used by ConTeXt will be updated during the year, it might be desirable to update font names in ConTeXt in TeX Live as well.
Mojca
Great information. Over four decades of working on computers (hardware design through embedded OS creation through global corporate app development) have taught me to be wary of chasing "features" in The Latest and Greatest version of anything. :) Bug fixes are a different issue! I'm really beginning to love ConTeXt over LaTeX and I'm glad to see the extensive work you folks are doing to improve the product. -- Bill Meahan, Westland, Michigan USA “Writing is a combination of intangible creative fantasy and appallingly hard work.” —Anthony Powell This message is digitally signed with an X.509 certificate to prove it is from me and has not been altered since it was sent.
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On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Bill Meahan
I'm really beginning to love ConTeXt over LaTeX and I'm glad to see the extensive work you folks are doing to improve the product.
You can also see an exotic extension of MKIV in http://www.gust.org.pl/bachotex/2011-en/presentations/Scarso_2_2011 -- luigi
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On 06/27/2012 11:22, luigi scarso wrote:
On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 4:48 PM, Bill Meahan
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You can also see an exotic extension of MKIV in http://www.gust.org.pl/bachotex/2011-en/presentations/Scarso_2_2011
Yep. That is definitely exotic! My use-case has nothing to do with mathematics, I'm more interested in typesetting traditional prose according to various book designs. Also in publishing an organizational newsletter which has a fixed layout hence is amenable to using TeX rather than DTP. Terrific product that can handle both your usage and mine just as adroitly. -- Bill Meahan, Westland, Michigan USA “Writing is a combination of intangible creative fantasy and appallingly hard work.” —Anthony Powell This message is digitally signed with an X.509 certificate to prove it is from me and has not been altered since it was sent.
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On 27-6-2012 16:02, Bill Meahan wrote:
Which beta will be included in the released version of texlive 2012?
already frozen
Will other updates be included in texlive updates?
upto mojca ... maybe we will push more 'currents'
Just curious about how closely the texlive version (which I use) follows the beta version referred to on the list.
normally the garden version is ahead Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
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Hi, Thanks for the new features, Hans! I don't know whether you overlooked my previous message about the distance problem with integral signs: it is still there, that is in mkiv $\int_\Omega$ results in \Omega too far away from the integral sign. In mkii everything is correct. Best regards: OK PS: minimal example: \starttext \startformula \int_{\Omega}f(x)dx = \int_{0}^\infty g(x)dx \stopformula \stoptext and the result can be seen here: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4316076/math-integral-bug-1.pdf On 27 juin 2012, at 14:52, Hans Hagen wrote:
Hi,
I uploaded a new beta. In the process of cleanup I kicked out some of the supp-* modules, most noticeably the visual debugger. That one has been replaced by another mechanism and a merge of some functionality already present in modules (and more might be moved into it).
As they are often used for testing, \ruledhbox, \ruledvbox and \ruledvtop remained and all the others have been replaced by placeholders (and might go away). The \show* commands are mostly dummies (and will disappear) but these remain:
\showmakeup \showallmakeup \showstruts \showglyphs
Hopefully this doesn't spoil your playing with low level tex stuff.
The good news is that the current implementation provides more detail, is more colorful, and comes on (pdf) layers (so that you can hide categories).
\showallmakeup
\starttext
\ruledhbox{hbox} \blank \ruledvbox{vbox} \blank \ruledvtop{vtop} \blank {\definedfont[Serif*default at 30pt] g ff} \blank test \strut test \blank \input ward \par
\stoptext
You can use \enabletrackers[visualizer.*] with * being fontkern, kern, glue, penalty, hbox, vbox, all, reset, makeup, whatsit, and glyph.
Hans
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Bill Meahan
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Hans Hagen
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luigi scarso
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Mojca Miklavec
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Otared Kavian