Hi, I am not a guru, but I think that you should setup your pagesize properly. For the calculation of the paper-width margin widths are not used. The elements for calculations are the backspace and makeupwidth and the rest to sum up to the paperwidth as given in the definition of the papersize. Margins are kind of virtual. If text spills out of the margin then the backspace and the margin have to be adjusted. e.g. \setuplayout [location=middle, topspace=1.5cm, backspace=2cm, margin=18mm, width=middle] Location=middle tells only, that the lettersized paper should placed centered onto the lettersized paper, oversized. When I comment the line with insidesection= I get a consistent result i.e. that the text of the sections with start\stop in the text body starts one line to low compared to the traditional way of coding. Otherwise with this insidesection={\blank[-line]} it appears, that the text next uneven section numbers is typeset at the expected place, where text next to even section numbers is not. — This might indeed be something which Hans should look at. Best Will

On 29 Jul 2017, at 16:52, Rik wrote:

Bump.

The problem persists two updates later.

In the picture below, the green line represents the edge of the page.

Does anyone else get the same result? -- Rik

On 2017-07-23 15:48, Rik Kabel wrote:

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The following example demonstrates two problems with alternative=margintext in \setuphead: • When used with start/stop sectioning, text following the title may be set on the wrong line. • Without regard to the type of sectioning, margintext titles may spill over the left edge of the margin and beyond the page frame. \setuppapersize [letter] [letter,oversized] \setuplayout [location={middle,middle}] \showframe \setuphead [chapter] [number=no, alternative=inmargin] \setuphead [section] [ alternative=margintext, insidesection={\blank[-line]}, ] \starttext \starttitle [title={Problem description}] \bgroup \setupwhitespace[medium] \startparagraph This demonstrates two problems with \type{alternative=margintext} in \tex{setuphead}: \startitemize[packed,n] \startitem When used with start/stop sectioning, text following the title may be set on the wrong line. \stopitem \startitem Without regard to the type of sectioning, \type{margintext} titles may spill over the left edge of the margin and beyond the page frame. (Oddly, \tex{paperwidth} is less than the sum of \tex{makeupwidth} and the margin widths and distances for both letter and A4 paper.) \stopitem \stopitemize \stopparagraph \startparagraph With start/stop sectioning, the text following the section title may begin one line below the start of the title. That can be remedied if there is no whitespace between paragraphs with \type{insidesection={\blank[-line]}}, but the remedy fails when there is whitespace, and increasing the correction has no effect. With traditional sectioning, the text appears baseline|-|aligned with the heading, as expected. The the correction has no effect in any case with traditional sectioning. \stopparagraph \startparagraph It makes no difference in any test how the paragraphs are delimited—blank lines, \tex{bpar}/\tex{epar}, \tex{startparagraph}/\tex{stopparagraph}, or \tex{par}. \stopparagraph \startparagraph Tested with standalone beta 2017.07.17 00:20. \stopparagraph \egroup \page \startchapter [title={Start/stop sectioning}] \startsection[title={Mis\-cel\-la\-neous quo\-ta\-tions}] \startparagraph \input jojomayer \stopparagraph \startparagraph \input carrol \wordright{No indent no whitespace.} \stopparagraph \stopsection \bgroup \setupwhitespace[medium] \startsection[title={Miscellaneous quotations}] \startparagraph \input jojomayer \stopparagraph \startparagraph \input carrol \wordright{No indent medium whitespace.} \stopparagraph \stopsection \egroup \bgroup \setupindenting[yes,small] \startsection[title={Miscellaneous quotations}] \startparagraph \input jojomayer \stopparagraph \startparagraph \input carrol \wordright{Small indent no whitespace.} \stopparagraph \stopsection \egroup \bgroup \setupwhitespace[medium] \setupindenting[yes,small] \startsection[title={Miscellaneous quotations}] \startparagraph \input jojomayer \stopparagraph \startparagraph \input carrol \wordright{Small indent medium whitespace.} \stopparagraph \stopsection \egroup \stopchapter \chapter{Traditional sectioning} \section{Mis\-cel\-la\-neous quo\-ta\-tions} \input jojomayer \par \input carrol \wordright{No indent no whitespace.} \par No indent no whitespace. \par \bgroup \setupwhitespace[medium] \section{Miscellaneous quotations} \input jojomayer \par \input carrol \wordright{No indent medium whitespace.} \par \egroup \bgroup \setupindenting[yes,small] \section{Miscellaneous quotations} \input jojomayer \par \input carrol \wordright{Small indent no whitespace.} \par \egroup \bgroup \setupwhitespace[medium] \setupindenting[yes,small] \section{Miscellaneous quotations} \input jojomayer \par \input carrol \wordright{Small indent medium whitespace.} \par \egroup \showlayout \stoptext

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Willi, Pablo, and list, Willi, I understand that the overprint of the margin can be managed by changing the default layout. The left margin box displayed by \showframe using the default layout clearly shows the margin extending past the edge of the page. I would think that the default layout should be usable as is, which for this purpose means that the defined text areas are contained within the page boundary. If the default layout is not intended to be usable, it should be so documented. I will gladly update the wiki if this is the case, but first I would like authoritative confirmation that this is the case. Indeed, the extra line before the text occurs only when inter-paragraph whitespace is set and start/stop is used. This does indeed appear to be something that can be repaired. Pablo, The \inmargin commands do suffer from the same problem; you need simply change marg to marg marg marg to see it. The problem is not that text is set outside the margin. It is all set in the margin. The problem is that the left margin is laid out over the page edge, and text set in the part of the margin that is off the page is lost. -- Rik On 2017-07-29 13:10, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:

On 07/23/2017 09:48 PM, Rik Kabel wrote:

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The following example demonstrates two problems with alternative=margintext in \setuphead:

1. When used with start/stop sectioning, text following the title may be set on the wrong line. Hi Rik,

the issue comes with \startparagraph and sectioning commands (other margindata are fine):

\setuphead [chapter] [alternative=margintext] \starttext \chapter{Chapter} \startparagraph\input jojomayer\stopparagraph \blank \inleft{marg}\startparagraph\input jojomayer\stopparagraph \blank \inright{marg}\startparagraph\input jojomayer\stopparagraph \blank \inouter{marg}\startparagraph\input jojomayer\stopparagraph \ininner{marg}\startparagraph\input jojomayer\stopparagraph \blank \inmargin{marg}\startparagraph\input jojomayer\stopparagraph \blank \inother{marg}\startparagraph\input jojomayer\stopparagraph \stoptext

But \inmargin has no problem with margin

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2. Without regard to the type of sectioning, margintext titles may spill over the left edge of the margin and beyond the page frame. I cannot align them either. I don’t know what we may be missing here.

Pablo

On 2017-07-29 14:18, Pablo Rodriguez wrote:

On 07/29/2017 07:34 PM, Rik wrote:

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Pablo,

The \inmargin commands do suffer from the same problem; you need simply change marg to marg marg marg to see it. I simply meant that both margin and paragraph start at the same page height. This is different from \chapter.

Pablo

Ahh, yes. That is correct. -- Rik

On 07/29/2017 11:44 PM, Hans Hagen wrote:

On 7/29/2017 7:34 PM, Rik wrote:

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Indeed, the extra line before the text occurs only when inter-paragraph whitespace is set and start/stop is used. This does indeed appear to be something that can be repaired. to some extend ... i added some hack in the upcoming beta btu keep in mind that a section head carries some information so there's always something (invisible) there that can generate whitespace

Many thanks for this fix and the one with itlc and ligatures, Hans. I’m afraid I’m not able to align text in margin data: \setuphead [chapter] [style=\tfxx, number=no, alternative=margintext, align=middle] \setupmargindata [inmargin] [style=\tfxx, align=middle] \starttext \chapter{Chapter} \input jojomayer \blank \inmargin{marginal\\data\blank}\input jojomayer \stoptext Is this a bug or am I missing something? Many thanks for your help, Pablo -- http://www.ousia.tk