Font questions once again...

Marcin Borkowski

25 Aug 2008 25 Aug '08

10:46 p.m.

Hi all! And once again I am asking obout fonts in ConTeXt... The point is that I am not sure whether anything has changed since I've asked for the previous time;). I mean, I'd like to give Mk IV a try. Most probably I will try to maintain two different TeX installations at the same time, so a third one (ConTeXt) won't be more trouble. This means that I will (most probably) install the Minimals so that they won't interfere with my TeXlives (one 2008 and one much older). So, the questions are: * Is TeX Gyre support already working in MkIV? * The page about Minimals on the wiki mentions LM, Antykwa Torunska, Iwona, Kurier, TeX Gyre, ams. Does this means they are available there? (And what about Antykwa Poltawskiego...?) * How do I switch to any of these fonts (I mean for the whole document)? * How do I (globally) change the size of the font? Thanks in advance for the answers; of course, I'll try to post them to the wiki as soon as I learn how to do these things. Greets -- Marcin Borkowski (http://mbork.faculty.fmcs.amu.edu.pl)

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Thomas A. Schmitz

25 Aug 25 Aug

11:05 p.m.

On Aug 25, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote:

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* Is TeX Gyre support already working in MkIV? Yes

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* The page about Minimals on the wiki mentions LM, Antykwa Torunska, Iwona, Kurier, TeX Gyre, ams. Does this means they are available there? (And what about Antykwa Poltawskiego...?)

Yes. Maybe you can investigate yourself about Antykwa Poltawskiego

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* How do I switch to any of these fonts (I mean for the whole document)?

\usetypescriptfile[type-otf] \usetypescript[times] \setupbodyfont[times,12pt] for Termes, or palatino for Pagella, or... Just look at $TEXMF/tex/ context/base/type-otf.tex

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* How do I (globally) change the size of the font?

\setupbodyfont[times,11pt] or 14pt or 9pt or... Thomas

Marcin Borkowski

11:34 p.m.

Dnia Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 11:05:18PM +0200, Thomas A. Schmitz napisał(a):

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On Aug 25, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote:

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* Is TeX Gyre support already working in MkIV? Yes

Great!

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* The page about Minimals on the wiki mentions LM, Antykwa Torunska, Iwona, Kurier, TeX Gyre, ams. Does this means they are available there? (And what about Antykwa Poltawskiego...?)

Yes. Maybe you can investigate yourself about Antykwa Poltawskiego

Hmmm... I'll try, but not now;).

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* How do I switch to any of these fonts (I mean for the whole document)?

\usetypescriptfile[type-otf] \usetypescript[times] \setupbodyfont[times,12pt]

for Termes, or palatino for Pagella, or... Just look at $TEXMF/tex/ context/base/type-otf.tex

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* How do I (globally) change the size of the font?

\setupbodyfont[times,11pt] or 14pt or 9pt or...

Thanks for the prompt answer!!! It's almost midnight in my timezone now, so I won't post this to the wiki until tomorrow, but I'll try to prepare a short tutorial for beginners about basics of font selecting.

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Thomas

-- Marcin Borkowski (http://mbork.faculty.fmcs.amu.edu.pl)

Olivier Guéry

26 Aug 26 Aug

12:14 a.m.

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\setupbodyfont[times,11pt] or 14pt or 9pt or...

Thanks for the prompt answer!!! It's almost midnight in my timezone now, so I won't post this to the wiki until tomorrow, but I'll try to prepare a short tutorial for beginners about basics of font selecting.

You can modify this one : http://wiki.contextgarden.net/Fonts_in_LuaTex Olivier. -- [Message tapé sur un clavier Bépo : http://www.clavier-dvorak.org ] http://nemolivier.blogspot.com

Marcin Borkowski

28 Aug 28 Aug

11:44 a.m.

Dnia Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 11:05:18PM +0200, Thomas A. Schmitz napisał(a):

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On Aug 25, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote:

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* Is TeX Gyre support already working in MkIV? Yes

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* The page about Minimals on the wiki mentions LM, Antykwa Torunska, Iwona, Kurier, TeX Gyre, ams. Does this means they are available there? (And what about Antykwa Poltawskiego...?)

Yes. Maybe you can investigate yourself about Antykwa Poltawskiego

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* How do I switch to any of these fonts (I mean for the whole document)?

\usetypescriptfile[type-otf] \usetypescript[times] \setupbodyfont[times,12pt]

for Termes, or palatino for Pagella, or... Just look at $TEXMF/tex/ context/base/type-otf.tex

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* How do I (globally) change the size of the font?

\setupbodyfont[times,11pt] or 14pt or 9pt or...

Thomas

Thanks again... I tried to put some info on the wiki (as promised): http://wiki.contextgarden.net/A_Beginner's_Guide_to_Using_Fonts_in_Mark_IV However, I had serious problems with a few fonts. After skimming through type-otf.tex I thought these would work, but no - they don't... (See the above page for which fonts generate problems.) Also, please check whether the page I've written is correct, especially the last paragraph... And one more problem, just out of curiosity: is \usetypescriptfile[type-otf] really necessary? Why is it not the default (at least in MkIV)? Greets and thanks in advance (as usual);) -- Marcin Borkowski (http://mbork.faculty.fmcs.amu.edu.pl) Computer science is no more about computers than astronomy about telescopes. (E. Dijkstra)

Wolfgang Schuster

11:56 a.m.

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Marcin Borkowski wrote:

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Dnia Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 11:05:18PM +0200, Thomas A. Schmitz napisał(a):

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On Aug 25, 2008, at 10:46 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote:

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* Is TeX Gyre support already working in MkIV? Yes

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* The page about Minimals on the wiki mentions LM, Antykwa Torunska, Iwona, Kurier, TeX Gyre, ams. Does this means they are available there? (And what about Antykwa Poltawskiego...?)

Yes. Maybe you can investigate yourself about Antykwa Poltawskiego

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* How do I switch to any of these fonts (I mean for the whole document)?

\usetypescriptfile[type-otf] \usetypescript[times] \setupbodyfont[times,12pt]

for Termes, or palatino for Pagella, or... Just look at $TEXMF/tex/ context/base/type-otf.tex

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* How do I (globally) change the size of the font?

\setupbodyfont[times,11pt] or 14pt or 9pt or...

Thomas

Thanks again... I tried to put some info on the wiki (as promised): http://wiki.contextgarden.net/A_Beginner's_Guide_to_Using_Fonts_in_Mark_IV However, I had serious problems with a few fonts. After skimming through type-otf.tex I thought these would work, but no - they don't... (See the above page for which fonts generate problems.) Also, please check whether the page I've written is correct, especially the last paragraph...

And one more problem, just out of curiosity: is \usetypescriptfile[type-otf] really necessary? Why is it not the default (at least in MkIV)?

It is default for XeTeX and LuaTeX. Wolfgang

Taco Hoekwater

12:29 p.m.

Hi Marcin, Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Marcin Borkowski wrote:

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Thanks again... I tried to put some info on the wiki (as promised): http://wiki.contextgarden.net/A_Beginner's_Guide_to_Using_Fonts_in_Mark_IV However, I had serious problems with a few fonts. After skimming through type-otf.tex I thought these would work, but no - they don't... (See the above page for which fonts generate problems.) Also, please check whether the page I've written is correct, especially the last paragraph...

I have not seen your original post yet, so I am replying to Wolfgang's reply. It seems you have misunderstood the system slightly: the predefined typescripts are given in table 1.7 of co-typography.pdf, the tables in co-fonts.pdf are 'typescript building blocks', and those cannot be used directly, you have to write (at least) a \definetypeface line for those. Best wishes, Taco

Marcin Borkowski

12:49 p.m.

Dnia Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:29:41PM +0200, Taco Hoekwater napisał(a):

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Hi Marcin,

Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Marcin Borkowski wrote:

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Thanks again... I tried to put some info on the wiki (as promised): http://wiki.contextgarden.net/A_Beginner's_Guide_to_Using_Fonts_in_Mark_IV However, I had serious problems with a few fonts. After skimming through type-otf.tex I thought these would work, but no - they don't... (See the above page for which fonts generate problems.) Also, please check whether the page I've written is correct, especially the last paragraph...

I have not seen your original post yet, so I am replying to Wolfgang's reply. It seems you have misunderstood the system slightly: the predefined typescripts are given in table 1.7 of co-typography.pdf, the tables in co-fonts.pdf are 'typescript building blocks', and those cannot be used directly, you have to write (at least) a \definetypeface line for those.

Well, "misunderstood" is not the right word - it seems I just don't understand it yet... I looked a bit at the type-otf.tex file. At the beginning, it says something like "\starttypescriptcollection[examples]". Typescripts from this \start...\stop block work correctly (with the exception of Antykwa Torunska). Typescripts from the outside don't work (with the exception of Heros). Maybe I should mimick these definitions somehow? Still, the cases of Antykwa Torunska and Heros are mysterious to me. The table 1.7 you mentioned is also a bit strange: it mentions palatino as "commercial". What I was aiming at was: how to (easily) use the fonts "shipped with ConTeXt" (i.e., the Minimals). I would expect them to be usable "out of the box"; if they are not, please consider this a bug report/feature request;). In fact, I would expect something like \useptypescript[pagella] \setupbodyfont[pagella] work for the whole collection in the Minimals. (BTW, why is pagella called palatino etc? I guess that some aliases could also be default?) And thanks for the answer - I'm continuosly learning ConTeXt. It seems that it's not as nice and easy as I thought - but I hope that once I start using it, more and more things will clarify.

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Best wishes, Taco

Greets -- Marcin Borkowski (http://mbork.faculty.fmcs.amu.edu.pl) <><

Wolfgang Schuster

2:02 p.m.

On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:49 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote:

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Dnia Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:29:41PM +0200, Taco Hoekwater napisał(a):

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Hi Marcin,

Wolfgang Schuster wrote:

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On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:44 AM, Marcin Borkowski wrote:

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Thanks again... I tried to put some info on the wiki (as promised): http://wiki.contextgarden.net/A_Beginner's_Guide_to_Using_Fonts_in_Mark_IV However, I had serious problems with a few fonts. After skimming through type-otf.tex I thought these would work, but no - they don't... (See the above page for which fonts generate problems.) Also, please check whether the page I've written is correct, especially the last paragraph...

I have not seen your original post yet, so I am replying to Wolfgang's reply. It seems you have misunderstood the system slightly: the predefined typescripts are given in table 1.7 of co-typography.pdf, the tables in co-fonts.pdf are 'typescript building blocks', and those cannot be used directly, you have to write (at least) a \definetypeface line for those.

Well, "misunderstood" is not the right word - it seems I just don't understand it yet...

I looked a bit at the type-otf.tex file. At the beginning, it says something like "\starttypescriptcollection[examples]". Typescripts from this \start...\stop block work correctly (with the exception of Antykwa Torunska). Typescripts from the outside don't work (with the exception of Heros). Maybe I should mimick these definitions somehow? Still, the cases of Antykwa Torunska and Heros are mysterious to me.

% Antykwa Torunska \usetypescript[antykwa-torunska] \setupbodyfont[antykwa] \starttext Antykwa Torunska \stoptext % Heros/Helvetica \usetypescript[helvetica] \setupbodyfont[helvetica,ss] \starttext TeX-Gyre Heros \stoptext

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The table 1.7 you mentioned is also a bit strange: it mentions palatino as "commercial".

Pagella is a free Palatino clone.

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What I was aiming at was: how to (easily) use the fonts "shipped with ConTeXt" (i.e., the Minimals). I would expect them to be usable "out of the box"; if they are not, please consider this a bug report/feature request;). In fact, I would expect something like \useptypescript[pagella] \setupbodyfont[pagella] work for the whole collection in the Minimals. (BTW, why is pagella called palatino etc? I guess that some aliases could also be default?)

Because it's a Palatino clone.

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And thanks for the answer - I'm continuosly learning ConTeXt. It seems that it's not as nice and easy as I thought - but I hope that once I start using it, more and more things will clarify.

Wolfgang

Taco Hoekwater

2:21 p.m.

Marcin Borkowski wrote:

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I looked a bit at the type-otf.tex file. At the beginning, it says something like "\starttypescriptcollection[examples]". Typescripts from this \start...\stop block work correctly (with the exception of Antykwa Torunska). Typescripts from the outside don't work (with the exception of Heros).

The \starttypescriptcollection command is only relevant if \preloadtypescripts is given. If that is not the case, you can forget about it immediately. (and in the other case it is still undocumented, but it should not matter)

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Maybe I should mimick these definitions somehow? Still, the cases of Antykwa Torunska and Heros are mysterious to me.

Answered by Wolfgang.

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The table 1.7 you mentioned is also a bit strange: it mentions palatino as "commercial".

You found a bug in the manual, I have corrected the table and uploaded a new version. Please let me know if it makes more sense now.

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What I was aiming at was: how to (easily) use the fonts "shipped with ConTeXt" (i.e., the Minimals). I would expect them to be usable "out of the box"; if they are not, please consider this a bug report/feature request;). In fact, I would expect something like \useptypescript[pagella] \setupbodyfont[pagella] work for the whole collection in the Minimals.

The top-level typescripts provided by Hans are only examples. The typeface buildingblocks (from the tables in co-fonts.pdf) are all there, but the combination of those into typescripts (as in the top of type-otf and type-one) is generally left to the user.

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(BTW, why is pagella called palatino etc? I guess that some aliases could also be default?)

answered by Wolfgang Best wishes, Taco

Hans Hagen

11:58 a.m.

Marcin Borkowski wrote:

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And one more problem, just out of curiosity: is \usetypescriptfile[type-otf] really necessary? Why is it not the default (at least in MkIV)?

it is loaded by default ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Marcin Borkowski

12:03 p.m.

Dnia Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:58:35AM +0200, Hans Hagen napisał(a):

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Marcin Borkowski wrote:

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And one more problem, just out of curiosity: is \usetypescriptfile[type-otf] really necessary? Why is it not the default (at least in MkIV)?

it is loaded by default

Thanks, it's my mistake. -- Marcin Borkowski (http://mbork.faculty.fmcs.amu.edu.pl)

Mojca Miklavec

29 Aug 29 Aug

1:55 a.m.

On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote:

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* The page about Minimals on the wiki mentions LM, Antykwa Torunska, Iwona, Kurier, TeX Gyre, ams. Does this means they are available there? (And what about Antykwa Poltawskiego...?)

That font is a bit messy. It uses its own encoding (maybe qx) and conventions and needs additional files to be functional in ConTeXt. I'm still optimistically waiting for "Torunisation" of Poltawskiego :) I do have documents using it, and I have scripts prepared to include the font in the minimals ... but I need someone to convince me to include it (again). Mojca

Marcin Borkowski

7:42 a.m.

Dnia Fri, Aug 29, 2008 at 01:55:29AM +0200, Mojca Miklavec napisał(a):

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On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 10:46 PM, Marcin Borkowski wrote:

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* The page about Minimals on the wiki mentions LM, Antykwa Torunska, Iwona, Kurier, TeX Gyre, ams. Does this means they are available there? (And what about Antykwa Poltawskiego...?)

That font is a bit messy. It uses its own encoding (maybe qx) and conventions and needs additional files to be functional in ConTeXt. I'm still optimistically waiting for "Torunisation" of Poltawskiego :)

I do have documents using it, and I have scripts prepared to include the font in the minimals ... but I need someone to convince me to include it (again).

well... there is at least one person;) who would like to use it *very* much, especially for documents not containing maths. Unlike Antykwa Torunska, it is very good for longer texts as well as one-pagers. And gives a very nice look to texts - especially for (maybe older) Poles, who remember it from so many books...

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Mojca

-- Marcin Borkowski (http://mbork.faculty.fmcs.amu.edu.pl)

Hans Hagen

9:33 a.m.

Marcin Borkowski wrote:

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I'm still optimistically waiting for "Torunisation" of Poltawskiego :)

actually the term used since lm came around and gyre started is "lm-ination" which might be read as "elimination" of mess -) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

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