I apologize to all, but circumstances oblige me to pick up a very pedestrian thread for the third time. As Peter Münster noted: in the following test-file \starttext x. x, x x\crlf x, x. x x\crlf x,\ x.\ x\ x\crlf x.\ x,\ x\ x\crlf X. X, X X\crlf X, X. X X\crlf X,\ X.\ X\ X\crlf X.\ X,\ X\ X \stoptext you see 2 bugs: - in MKIV there is no bigger space after "x." - in MKII the space after "x.\ " is a big one The problem remains in ConTeXt ver: 2008.07.31 16:30 for MKII (which I am using). I am do not know if here have been any changes in MKIV. Is there a fix for this in the works? I am about to publish a series of pages which will look vastly better if this is fixed. Alan
Alan, If you wand quick and dirty because you are against a hard deadline, use inline math mode and insert negative space $\!$ AFTER the x. and IMMEDIATELY BEFORE the next bit. You could also define a macro \negspace to do it as well: \def\negspace{$\!$} so that x, x. \negspace x x will yield the spacing that x, x.\ x x ought to. It's an UGLY hack, but you'd be surprised at how ugly I hacked my own thesis in LaTeX to get it converted to Word and get it in on time. The very memory is traumatic. Charles On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 18:57 -0400, Alan Bowen wrote:
I apologize to all, but circumstances oblige me to pick up a very pedestrian thread for the third time.
As Peter Münster noted: in the following test-file
\starttext x. x, x x\crlf x, x. x x\crlf x,\ x.\ x\ x\crlf x.\ x,\ x\ x\crlf X. X, X X\crlf X, X. X X\crlf X,\ X.\ X\ X\crlf X.\ X,\ X\ X \stoptext
you see 2 bugs:
- in MKIV there is no bigger space after "x." - in MKII the space after "x.\ " is a big one
The problem remains in ConTeXt ver: 2008.07.31 16:30 for MKII (which I am using). I am do not know if here have been any changes in MKIV.
Is there a fix for this in the works? I am about to publish a series of pages which will look vastly better if this is fixed.
Alan
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Many thanks, Charles. This does work and I will use it if push comes to shove, as we say. Alan On Aug 2, 2008, at 22;46,00 , Charles P. Schaum wrote:
Alan,
If you wand quick and dirty because you are against a hard deadline, use inline math mode and insert negative space $\!$ AFTER the x. and IMMEDIATELY BEFORE the next bit. You could also define a macro \negspace to do it as well:
\def\negspace{$\!$}
so that
x, x. \negspace x x
will yield the spacing that
x, x.\ x x
ought to. It's an UGLY hack, but you'd be surprised at how ugly I hacked my own thesis in LaTeX to get it converted to Word and get it in on time. The very memory is traumatic.
Charles
On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 18:57 -0400, Alan Bowen wrote:
I apologize to all, but circumstances oblige me to pick up a very pedestrian thread for the third time.
As Peter Münster noted: in the following test-file
\starttext x. x, x x\crlf x, x. x x\crlf x,\ x.\ x\ x\crlf x.\ x,\ x\ x\crlf X. X, X X\crlf X, X. X X\crlf X,\ X.\ X\ X\crlf X.\ X,\ X\ X \stoptext
you see 2 bugs:
- in MKIV there is no bigger space after "x." - in MKII the space after "x.\ " is a big one
The problem remains in ConTeXt ver: 2008.07.31 16:30 for MKII (which I am using). I am do not know if here have been any changes in MKIV.
Is there a fix for this in the works? I am about to publish a series of pages which will look vastly better if this is fixed.
Alan
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Alan Bowen wrote:
I apologize to all, but circumstances oblige me to pick up a very pedestrian thread for the third time.
As Peter Münster noted: in the following test-file
\starttext x. x, x x\crlf x, x. x x\crlf x,\ x.\ x\ x\crlf x.\ x,\ x\ x\crlf X. X, X X\crlf X, X. X X\crlf X,\ X.\ X\ X\crlf X.\ X,\ X\ X \stoptext
you see 2 bugs:
- in MKIV there is no bigger space after "x." - in MKII the space after "x.\ " is a big one
The problem remains in ConTeXt ver: 2008.07.31 16:30 for MKII (which I am using). I am do not know if here have been any changes in MKIV.
Is there a fix for this in the works? I am about to publish a series of pages which will look vastly better if this is fixed.
\unexpanded\def\ {\mathortext\normalspaceprimitive\space} ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks, Hans. In my test file I now have \mainlanguage[en] \unexpanded\def\ {\mathortext\normalspaceprimitive\space} \starttext x. x, x x\crlf x, x. x x\crlf x,\ x.\ x\ x\crlf x.\ x,\ x\ x\crlf X. X, X X\crlf X, X. X X\crlf X,\ X.\ X\ X\crlf X.\ X,\ X\ X \stoptext Unfortunately, I do not see any effect in the output (under MKII). The space after a period looks the same as the space after “.\ ”, though it should be bigger. Alan On Aug 3, 2008, at 12;05,30 , Hans Hagen wrote:
Alan Bowen wrote:
I apologize to all, but circumstances oblige me to pick up a very pedestrian thread for the third time.
As Peter Münster noted: in the following test-file
\starttext x. x, x x\crlf x, x. x x\crlf x,\ x.\ x\ x\crlf x.\ x,\ x\ x\crlf X. X, X X\crlf X, X. X X\crlf X,\ X.\ X\ X\crlf X.\ X,\ X\ X \stoptext
you see 2 bugs:
- in MKIV there is no bigger space after "x." - in MKII the space after "x.\ " is a big one
The problem remains in ConTeXt ver: 2008.07.31 16:30 for MKII (which I am using). I am do not know if here have been any changes in MKIV.
Is there a fix for this in the works? I am about to publish a series of pages which will look vastly better if this is fixed.
\unexpanded\def\ {\mathortext\normalspaceprimitive\space}
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Alan Bowen wrote:
Thanks, Hans. In my test file I now have
\mainlanguage[en] \unexpanded\def\ {\mathortext\normalspaceprimitive\space}
\starttext
x. x, x x\crlf x, x. x x\crlf x,\ x.\ x\ x\crlf x.\ x,\ x\ x\crlf X. X, X X\crlf X, X. X X\crlf X,\ X.\ X\ X\crlf X.\ X,\ X\ X
\stoptext
Unfortunately, I do not see any effect in the output (under MKII). The space after a period looks the same as the space after “.\ ”, though it should be bigger.
use \break instead, \crlf does a \hfill since there is no need for stretch when using crlf ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks, Hans. I simplified the test file. \mainlanguage[en] \unexpanded\def\ {\mathortext\normalspaceprimitive\space} \starttext A. E. Samuels. A.\ E.\ Samuels. \stoptext Do you see the required difference at your end? On my screen, the two lines look exactly the same (regardless of the length of the paragraphs). Alan On Aug 3, 2008, at 16;45,43 , Hans Hagen wrote:
Alan Bowen wrote:
Thanks, Hans. In my test file I now have
\mainlanguage[en] \unexpanded\def\ {\mathortext\normalspaceprimitive\space}
\starttext
x. x, x x\crlf x, x. x x\crlf x,\ x.\ x\ x\crlf x.\ x,\ x\ x\crlf X. X, X X\crlf X, X. X X\crlf X,\ X.\ X\ X\crlf X.\ X,\ X\ X
\stoptext
Unfortunately, I do not see any effect in the output (under MKII). The space after a period looks the same as the space after “.\ ”, though it should be bigger.
use \break instead, \crlf does a \hfill since there is no need for stretch when using crlf
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Alan Bowen wrote:
Thanks, Hans. I simplified the test file.
\mainlanguage[en]
\unexpanded\def\ {\mathortext\normalspaceprimitive\space}
\starttext
A. E. Samuels.
A.\ E.\ Samuels.
\stoptext
Do you see the required difference at your end? On my screen, the two lines look exactly the same (regardless of the length of the paragraphs).
sure, a space is a space, instead use: A.|~|E.|~|Samuels. ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | fax: 038 477 53 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
That’s got it, Hans! I have replaced all my old “.\ ” with “.|~|”. My pages look much better now. Many thanks indeed. All best, Alan On Aug 4, 2008, at 10;23,22 , Hans Hagen wrote:
Alan Bowen wrote:
Thanks, Hans. I simplified the test file.
\mainlanguage[en]
\unexpanded\def\ {\mathortext\normalspaceprimitive\space}
\starttext
A. E. Samuels.
A.\ E.\ Samuels.
\stoptext
Do you see the required difference at your end? On my screen, the two lines look exactly the same (regardless of the length of the paragraphs).
sure, a space is a space, instead use:
A.|~|E.|~|Samuels.
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