Hi all, At first, I use m-bib-beta-20060208.zip. Up to now, I used: \setupbibtex[database=biblio,sort=author] \setuppublications[alternative=num-fr,sorttype=bbl,numbering=yes] %% In order to format Names with small capitals: \def\mynormalauthor#1#2#3#4#5% {\bibdoif{#1}{#1\bibalternative{firstnamesep}}% \bibdoif{#2}{#2\bibalternative{vonsep}}% \bgroup\sc#3\egroup\bibalternative{surnamesep}\unskip \bibdoif{#5}{#5\unskip}} \setuppublicationlist [artauthor=\mynormalauthor, editor=\mynormalauthor, author=\mynormalauthor] Everything works fine, but now I would use apa-fr and I have some problems. After discussing this topic with Taco on #context, I have tried the following code: % \cite[name00] should return [Name, 2000] \unprotect\def\mybibcommand#1{\expanded{\cite[\@@pbk]}~~} \protect \setupbibtex[database=biblio,sort=author] \setuppublications[alternative=apa,sorttype=bbl,numbercommand=\mybibcommand, numbering=yes,autohang=yes] \setupcite[authoryears][left={[},right={]}] So, just forget to format the authors with normalauthor & small capitals.... It's ok for the cite command but labels of the references listing is wrong (each label are the same and correspond in fact to the last entry ! )... Any idea ??? Add to this the fact that I don't like the formatting of the year -> (1999). Since I like the formatting applied with num-fr, how to reproduce it with apa-fr. (I have tested apa and apa-fr and it gives same results in either) Cheers, Renaud
It's confirmed: same problems with t-bib-2006.03.13.zip ( Please Taco, is it possible to remove leftover "year needed" messages ? ) Renaud AUBIN a écrit :
Hi all,
At first, I use m-bib-beta-20060208.zip. Up to now, I used:
\setupbibtex[database=biblio,sort=author] \setuppublications[alternative=num-fr,sorttype=bbl,numbering=yes]
%% In order to format Names with small capitals: \def\mynormalauthor#1#2#3#4#5% {\bibdoif{#1}{#1\bibalternative{firstnamesep}}% \bibdoif{#2}{#2\bibalternative{vonsep}}% \bgroup\sc#3\egroup\bibalternative{surnamesep}\unskip \bibdoif{#5}{#5\unskip}}
\setuppublicationlist [artauthor=\mynormalauthor, editor=\mynormalauthor, author=\mynormalauthor]
Everything works fine, but now I would use apa-fr and I have some problems. After discussing this topic with Taco on #context, I have tried the following code: % \cite[name00] should return [Name, 2000] \unprotect\def\mybibcommand#1{\expanded{\cite[\@@pbk]}~~} \protect \setupbibtex[database=biblio,sort=author] \setuppublications[alternative=apa,sorttype=bbl,numbercommand=\mybibcommand, numbering=yes,autohang=yes]
\setupcite[authoryears][left={[},right={]}]
So, just forget to format the authors with normalauthor & small capitals.... It's ok for the cite command but labels of the references listing is wrong (each label are the same and correspond in fact to the last entry ! )... Any idea ???
Add to this the fact that I don't like the formatting of the year -> (1999). Since I like the formatting applied with num-fr, how to reproduce it with apa-fr. (I have tested apa and apa-fr and it gives same results in either)
Cheers,
Renaud
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Renaud AUBIN wrote:
It's confirmed: same problems with t-bib-2006.03.13.zip
About the overall formatting: have you tried using num-fr together with \setuppublications[refcommand=authoryears] ? I'll try to have a look at your labelling request today or tomorrow, but I cannot promise.
( Please Taco, is it possible to remove leftover "year needed" messages ? )
The are gone in the version I sent Hans for the next context release (that will be real soon now, i hope) Cheers, Taco
Hi Taco, Taco Hoekwater a écrit :
About the overall formatting: have you tried using num-fr together with \setuppublications[refcommand=authoryears] ?
Ok, formatting is better with \setuppublications[alternative=num-fr,sorttype=bbl,numbering=yes]
I'll try to have a look at your labelling request today or tomorrow, but I cannot promise.
I have not checked but I think I have already submitted this problem 2 or 3 months ago when I began to play with ConTeXt & m-bib... To all: Am I the only one who want to do this kind of bib formatting ??? I think LaTeX + bibTeX do that by default with apa style... IMHO, it's a key feature... Cheers, Renaud
Renaud AUBIN wrote:
I have not checked but I think I have already submitted this problem 2 or 3 months ago when I began to play with ConTeXt & m-bib... To all: Am I the only one who want to do this kind of bib formatting ??? I think LaTeX + bibTeX do that by default with apa style... IMHO, it's a key feature...
If you want the bib module to do it's formatting a certain way, send me an example of input & desired output. I do not know what "LaTeX + bibTeX do that by default with apa style", nor do I especially want to learn precisely what it does, just so I can mimic it for the bib module in case someone needs ConTeXt to behave exactly like LaTeX. The formatting in "bibl-apa" is taken from the guidelines on the http://www.apastyle.org website. If that is actually wrong, I do not know where to look instead. Greetings, Taco
Taco Hoekwater a écrit :
If you want the bib module to do it's formatting a certain way, send me an example of input & desired output.
Ok, see http://renojrl.lrv.uvsq.fr/bibsample.pdf (extracted from an old report made in 2003 with a hacked bst based on http://www.irit.fr/~Gael.Jaffre/LOGICIELS/LATEX_BIBTEX/MODIF_GAEL/frcomplet....) I have just used normal \cite calls + a standard bib file...
I do not know what "LaTeX + bibTeX do that by default with apa style", nor do I especially want to learn precisely what it does, just so I can mimic it for the bib module in case someone needs ConTeXt to behave exactly like LaTeX.
I have checked, this is not at all the default behaviour of LaTeX+bibTeX, sorry...
The formatting in "bibl-apa" is taken from the guidelines on the http://www.apastyle.org website. If that is actually wrong, I do not know where to look instead.
You're right, using guidelines is the best approach. Ok, my wishes are not in respect with the "standards".
Greetings, Taco
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