On 5/7/2023 11:29 AM, Mojca Miklavec via ntg-context wrote:

On Sun, 7 May 2023 at 11:11, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote:

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And what’s the abbreviation for Theodores?

I assume it must be "tr", though it's somewhat ambiguous what the "r" in "tr" stands for, it seems to be country-dependent ;) The problem with introducing the theodore is that it introduces another 'male name' unit while actually the new ones got 'female names' in order to counter the didot and cicero (and dk although we considere that a neutral unit), which was one of the projects objectives.

Okay, we can from now on assume the 'mm' to be the Mojca which is also more officient: 4 mojcas instead of 4 millimeters. It's a downward compatible change (only in the documentation). Then we can introduce the tr as precisely 5 es, a kind of snaposhot unit, whgich makes me wonder, as the theodore eventually will come close to a foot we might have a \thfactor then that starts out at 5. We can decide at the ctx meeting. (In case one wonders: because internally tex works with fractions mm/cm and ts/es (/tr) make sense.) (As explained during the presentation, adding units to luametatex is not really putting a (performance) burden on this engine. In pdftex and luatex it would have an impact, although in luatex somewhat less because we prioritize our favourite units anyway.) ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Am 04.05.23 um 10:01 schrieb Hans Hagen via ntg-context:

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Hi,

We now officially have three new units. These were officially introducd at the 2023 BachoTeX meeting in a presentation where the chair of the four person strong team also did the final live callibration (using the edithorial callibration instrument made for that purpose). An upcoming article in TB will explain the details of the process and also a careful mathematical annalysis of how we reached the right value with a high precission. The actual implementation is the most boring part.

Hi Hans, can I have the article also for CGJ, please?

I didn’t understand all details, and I guess some spelling errors are intentional – was there a Calli? Does “precission” refer to anything? And what’s the abbreviation for Theodores?

On 5/7/2023 11:10 AM, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote: the theodore is only used in reporting an overflow so no real unit (just like feet is no unit in tex but used in the message) an article is chicken-egg ... it goes into the tugboat (already checked and prepared, read peer reviewed) but it is no big deal if the ctx journal takes it afterwards (plenty of time) and then the cg members are also informed (it will go in the distribution anyway but normally i wait till after publication) concerning precission, indeed there was a real beautiful handcrafted measuring device but as with much research one could sort of predict the median outcome esp after the main sample was made beforehand by carefully checking some resources; it was nice to see how most attendents properties fit the bill (Alan will be pleased to know that actually the Thumb was the starting point which happens to be close to an inch and the oid Dutch measure is Duim.) Hans ps. For those unfamiliar with the tex community, when we talk 'research' and such, keep in mind that most tex related research is kind of bogus, wishful thinking, sounding serious, etc. and that most 'projects' are just 'activities by enthousiatic users' In the end it's all about esthetics which is more about feeling and intuition and pretty much driven by user demsnds. In a similar fashion most 'tex conferences' are more user meetings. ps. So 'I didn’t understand all details' is quite okay because the idea was to put you on the wrong foot (or theodore). It helps when you knwo the people involved, does it? ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

On 5/7/2023 12:09 PM, Henning Hraban Ramm via ntg-context wrote:

I know it’s not funny to explain jokes, but I don’t seem to know all people involved.

You know a subset: Edith Sundqvist : on-site research, presentation Mikael Sundqvist : scientific supervisor, calibration, article Willi Egger : quality assurance, edithorial device Karl Berry : peer review, tugboat Hans Hagen : implementation, article It was a three person presentation on multiple laptops and phones, so very serious indeed. It would not work for a large audience with a distance of more than 100 es (20 theodores) distance to the audience as the audience was also participating. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

Hi Hraban, Attached a picture of the edithorial which is now in posession of the one who's name comes closest to it. A bit like the 'meter' makes Paris famous, this one will put the (engineering) university of Lund on the map. Up to the reader to figure out the magick slot and workings. Yet another one of Willis masterpieces of woodwork and packaging. If Alan had been present we might have gone for measuring toes intead of thumbs but then we'd end up with 30mm median I guess. Actually, by going discrete we also made sure thet people with different left and right thumbs (we hadn't anticipated that actually) were satisfied, something that was demood live on camera. It's in de details. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------

On 5/7/2023 2:00 PM, Bruce Horrocks wrote:

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On 7 May 2023, at 10:45, Hans Hagen via ntg-context wrote:

ps. For those unfamiliar with the tex community, when we talk 'research' and such, keep in mind that most tex related research is kind of bogus, wishful thinking, sounding serious, etc. and that most 'projects' are just 'activities by enthousiatic users' In the end it's all about esthetics which is more about feeling and intuition and pretty much driven by user demsnds. In a similar fashion most 'tex conferences' are more user meetings.

Will there be new units to represent the amount of alcohol that has to be imbibed in order to (a) create the joke and (b) understand it?

I'm not sure which of these needs to be the larger. Perhaps that could be the subject of the next research?

During the meeting (aka conference) and in preparation Mikael and I were on 0% alcohol beers, so effectively that unit would then be a multiplier of zero, but I'm sure you can find a usage for that. I forgot to check what the pct was of the wine at the (as usual) huge dinner but I can check the bottle I got from DT. Talking percentages, maybe some high res percentage primitive is interesting (we have .4\somedimen but for counters one needs to cheat a bit). Actually we were talking of some 'eps' and interval based comparison in order to avoid small issues with accumulated rounding (in the sp range) but that is a side track. Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | www.pragma-ade.nl | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------