On 7-5-2010 9:12, Alan BRASLAU wrote:
ppchtex has been rewritten for conTeXt using luatex and line drawing has been considerably improved. However, I do not believe that this version will (ever) be adapted for use with LaTeX. Perhaps Hans can give you a better answer.
indeed the mkiv reimplementation will not be backported to latex as it involved a combination of tex, lua and mp now and is integrated into the context kernel (we have math in the kernel so why not chemistry)
I tried your example, with decent results (see test.pdf) with the latest texlive version of pdflatex. Yet trying the pstricks driver gives an error:
! Undefined control sequence. <recently read> \c@lor@to@ps
looks like a pstricks is not loadec completely i cannot test it here as pstricks with ppchtex in mkii does not work that well because i need to support latex and using the context pstricks layer would then complicat ethe code (in mkii we use metapost instead anyway) Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
On Friday 07 May 2010 10:23:20 Hans Hagen wrote:
On 7-5-2010 9:12, Alan BRASLAU wrote:
ppchtex has been rewritten for conTeXt using luatex and line drawing has been considerably improved. However, I do not believe that this version will (ever) be adapted for use with LaTeX. Perhaps Hans can give you a better answer.
indeed the mkiv reimplementation will not be backported to latex as it involved a combination of tex, lua and mp now and is integrated into the context kernel (we have math in the kernel so why not chemistry)
I tried your example, with decent results (see test.pdf) with the latest texlive version of pdflatex. Yet trying the pstricks driver gives an error:
! Undefined control sequence. <recently read> \c@lor@to@ps
looks like a pstricks is not loadec completely
i cannot test it here as pstricks with ppchtex in mkii does not work that well because i need to support latex and using the context pstricks layer would then complicat ethe code (in mkii we use metapost instead anyway)
Hans
Indeed, the problem is that I tried to run the pstricks option under pdflatex, which, of course, does not work! As I (almost) never use LaTeX anymore (and certainly never dvips) I had forgotten about this. I guess that I have become far too accustomed to ConTeXt and, in particular, mkiv. As to the original post, it yields acceptable results. The new ppchtex in mkiv core is an improvement and, as Hans confirms, will not be backported to laTeX. This could be one of many good reasons to switch from LaTeX to ConTeXt! Alan
Am 07.05.2010 13:04, schrieb Alan BRASLAU:
On Friday 07 May 2010 10:23:20 Hans Hagen wrote:
On 7-5-2010 9:12, Alan BRASLAU wrote: indeed the mkiv reimplementation will not be backported to latex as it involved a combination of tex, lua and mp now and is integrated into the context kernel (we have math in the kernel so why not chemistry)
So PPCHTEX is frozen for LaTeX?
Indeed, the problem is that I tried to run the pstricks option under pdflatex, which, of course, does not work! The pictex output is not convincing, so I hoped the PSTricks output would gave better result. In general it works, but the diagonal bonds are too long. I Hoped that this could be fixed.
Skimming the ppchtex.noc I found that metapost is one possible output "driver". I also found a documentation for metapost. But I don't see how I can make PPCHTEX work with metapost in LaTeX. I even don't know if metapost can be used in LaTeX as in ConTeXt.
As I (almost) never use LaTeX anymore (and certainly never dvips) I had forgotten about this.
I guess that I have become far too accustomed to ConTeXt and, in particular, mkiv.
As to the original post, it yields acceptable results. The new ppchtex in mkiv core is an improvement and, as Hans confirms, will not be backported to laTeX. This could be one of many good reasons to switch from LaTeX to ConTeXt! Well I am curious and I would evaluate ConTeXt. I think that http://www.pragma-ade.com/ will be a good starting point to do that. Unfortunately I did not found "How to install ConTeXt". Can this be done by adding some packages in MiKTeX 2.8? Probably a silly question...
Regards, Helge
On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 9:12 PM, Helge Kruse
Well I am curious and I would evaluate ConTeXt. I think that http://www.pragma-ade.com/ will be a good starting point to do that. Unfortunately I did not found "How to install ConTeXt". Can this be done by adding some packages in MiKTeX 2.8? Probably a silly question...
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Minimals#Installation_and_use_on_Windo...
Am 07.05.2010 20:38, schrieb Marius:
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Minimals#Installation_and_use_on_Windo...
I downloaded context-setup-mswin.zip, unzipped it to C:\Program Files(x86)\context and ran "first-setup.bat --context=current". Now I have a Directory C:\Program\context. In the command prompt window I can see a lot of error messages like rsync: change_dir "/cygdrive/c/Program/texmf-context/scripts/context/lua" failed: No such file or directory (2) rsync: change_dir "/current/context/=current" (in minimals) failed: No such file or directory (2) I also created a shortcut to a command prompt as described in the wiki. The command prompt opens but context fails to start: C:\Users\Helge\Documents\TeX\context>context 'context' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file. C:\Users\Helge\Documents\TeX\context> I found in the wiki: It is recommended that you choose a directory that does not have a space in its full path. Ok. This recommendation should be a least a warning. But currently I have some new questions: - How do I uninstall context? - Which directories have been modified by the installer? Where do I have to repair my system? Best regards, Helge
Use a directory without a space.
Download the context-setup-mswin.zip file, unzip it into the
c:\context directory
Then run the first-setup.bat file.
After completion, press win+R and run this line from there:
C:\WINDOWS\System32\cmd.exe /k C:\context\tex\setuptex.bat
cd there your context file resides and run "context yourfile.tex"
Installer downloads files to the c:\context dir, so to uninstall
context, just delete the directory c:\context or in your case the
C:\Program Files(x86)\context and C:\Program\context dirs.
On Sat, May 8, 2010 at 8:32 PM, Helge Kruse
Am 07.05.2010 20:38, schrieb Marius:
http://wiki.contextgarden.net/ConTeXt_Minimals#Installation_and_use_on_Windo...
I downloaded context-setup-mswin.zip, unzipped it to C:\Program Files(x86)\context and ran "first-setup.bat --context=current". Now I have a Directory C:\Program\context. In the command prompt window I can see a lot of error messages like
rsync: change_dir "/cygdrive/c/Program/texmf-context/scripts/context/lua" failed: No such file or directory (2)
rsync: change_dir "/current/context/=current" (in minimals) failed: No such file or directory (2)
I also created a shortcut to a command prompt as described in the wiki. The command prompt opens but context fails to start:
C:\Users\Helge\Documents\TeX\context>context 'context' is not recognized as an internal or external command, operable program or batch file.
C:\Users\Helge\Documents\TeX\context>
I found in the wiki: It is recommended that you choose a directory that does not have a space in its full path.
Ok. This recommendation should be a least a warning. But currently I have some new questions: - How do I uninstall context? - Which directories have been modified by the installer? Where do I have to repair my system?
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On 7-5-2010 8:12, Helge Kruse wrote:
Am 07.05.2010 13:04, schrieb Alan BRASLAU:
On Friday 07 May 2010 10:23:20 Hans Hagen wrote:
On 7-5-2010 9:12, Alan BRASLAU wrote: indeed the mkiv reimplementation will not be backported to latex as it involved a combination of tex, lua and mp now and is integrated into the context kernel (we have math in the kernel so why not chemistry)
So PPCHTEX is frozen for LaTeX?
apart from bug fixes (and/or if someone submits more drawing definitions) in fact, as we move on to luatex, the context version for pdftex / xetex is frozen as well
Indeed, the problem is that I tried to run the pstricks option under pdflatex, which, of course, does not work! The pictex output is not convincing, so I hoped the PSTricks output would gave better result. In general it works, but the diagonal bonds are too long. I Hoped that this could be fixed.
if we kno wwhere the problem sits it will of course be solved, however as i don't run latex i cannot see what goes wrong
Skimming the ppchtex.noc I found that metapost is one possible output "driver". I also found a documentation for metapost. But I don't see how I can make PPCHTEX work with metapost in LaTeX. I even don't know if metapost can be used in LaTeX as in ConTeXt.
in context mkii metapost support has been integrated for quite some time and in context mkiv it can be processed without noticing so there ppchtex uses even more metapost (which is why there are also some extras)
As I (almost) never use LaTeX anymore (and certainly never dvips) I had forgotten about this.
I guess that I have become far too accustomed to ConTeXt and, in particular, mkiv.
As to the original post, it yields acceptable results. The new ppchtex in mkiv core is an improvement and, as Hans confirms, will not be backported to laTeX. This could be one of many good reasons to switch from LaTeX to ConTeXt! Well I am curious and I would evaluate ConTeXt. I think that http://www.pragma-ade.com/ will be a good starting point to do that. Unfortunately I did not found "How to install ConTeXt". Can this be done by adding some packages in MiKTeX 2.8? Probably a silly question...
best start with installing the so called minimals (from contextgarden.net) which will give you an independent tree that does not interfere with anything else btw, an easy test is: \starttext \startTEXpage ... some chemical ... \stopTEXpage \stoptext which will give you a graphic that you then can include in a latex doc Hans ----------------------------------------------------------------- Hans Hagen | PRAGMA ADE Ridderstraat 27 | 8061 GH Hasselt | The Netherlands tel: 038 477 53 69 | voip: 087 875 68 74 | www.pragma-ade.com | www.pragma-pod.nl -----------------------------------------------------------------
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